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You're the grader, do you have issues with this toning?

morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited October 15, 2018 4:31PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Another day at the office and this Morgan is up for grading, is it questionable or acceptable toning?

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You're the grader, do you have issues with this toning?

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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hit the wrong button. I have NO issue with the toning.

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,080 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If I am the grader then yes, I have issues with the colors as they are showing up on my monitor.

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  • silverpopsilverpop Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if i was the grader that coin would get a questionable color label

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2018 4:50PM

    Cracked out of a NGC holder believe it was a 3, dull n lifeless. I then put it into a paper lunch bag years ago and this is the result. It hasn't changed much in the last 6 months. I'm thinkin 3 years ago about this time of year. All I did to the image was a smidge of contrast and a dash of darkening.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I'd have serious reservations about the toning... especially on the obverse.

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  • thisistheshowthisistheshow Posts: 9,386 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it.

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,267 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am more interested in the details and making sure it's not from Jyna! Peace Roy

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    so the coin was basically untoned when cracked?

  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kaz said:
    so the coin was basically untoned when cracked?

    Yes is was dull n lifeless, no toning, no luster really, just blah. This Morgan was face down against the bag the whole time.

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  • kazkaz Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had a dipped out trade dollar that I put in a desk inside some brown paper. It also had deep blue/purple toning and I was amazed at how quickly it toned. The white area on the cap is surprising; I wonder what shielded it from the sulfur fumes?

  • KccoinKccoin Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No issue. I would say neutral toning.

    Color void at cap makes me think something was once on the surface, bit no longer is

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I had one very similar that failed to grade so I'd say no. I do not know what the problem was. Perhaps color progressions were wrong?

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think someone fooled with it.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The splotchy blue/purple areas look off to me.

  • BochimanBochiman Posts: 25,556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, I have an issue with it. First inclination of thought is it is some natural and some accelerated/artificial.

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  • AlexinPAAlexinPA Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some natural 'maybe' - some not so.....

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,755 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks a little artificial to me.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,615 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have no issues with the grade. The tarnish will dip right off. AS to eye appeal ? The uglier the better. I'm guessing, of course. It is what it is. Storage might be the issue, if I'm the grader. Environmental damage a problem ? I think more likely than not.
    Pretty coin. Pretty ugly. There are two sides. The reverse I don't mind.

  • ParadisefoundParadisefound Posts: 8,588 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2018 11:24AM

    Our grader is no longer here :( It does not look natural to me IMHO

  • jerseycat101jerseycat101 Posts: 1,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's ok.

  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 795 ✭✭✭

    Doesn't look like anything someone would bother to create. Blue around reverse rims is consistent with blue on obverse. If that's a scrape below the ear, it's not worth worrying about.

  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Getting close to being 50/50. I swear the only thing I did was put it into a brown sandwich bag for 3 years, straight out of a slab.

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  • cheezhedcheezhed Posts: 6,009 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Negative eye appeal.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Guys, the poster has already admitted that he messed with it. It's AT.

  • MattTheRileyMattTheRiley Posts: 806 ✭✭✭✭

    He didn't mess with it, he stored it in a bag. It toned. Looks market acceptable whatever way you want to look at it.

  • CascadeChrisCascadeChris Posts: 2,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks all good. Both natural and market acceptable. A bit unique but there are more "unique" toners out there. My money is on straight grade. If it gets details, the grader that got it is biased against color in general.

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  • RexfordRexford Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MattTheRiley said:
    He didn't mess with it, he stored it in a bag. It toned. Looks market acceptable whatever way you want to look at it.

    He stored it in a paper lunch bag with the intent of causing it to tone. That is artificial toning in my book, as it is man-made and created purposefully. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean TPGs won't certify it and people won't pay extra for it (something I don't understand), but I personally would never go near it. I love toned coins and most of my own coins are toned, but how can people buy coins that they know have been purposefully toned, especially since this is usually done with the intent of making money off of it? It only fosters more of the same behavior, and more people getting absurd amounts of profit off of paper bags and sulfur pens.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It is probably both questionable and acceptable.

  • ElmhurstElmhurst Posts: 795 ✭✭✭

    No matter what you call it, it's not going to get toner "moon money" in any auction

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rev looks particularly good. I don't know about the obv, tho. I guess overall I could pass it. It's NOT AT IMO.

  • fiftysevenerfiftysevener Posts: 927 ✭✭✭✭

    Any toning must be made. If no man was here, how would you know if it was toned ?

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe it would get a 'Questionable color' designation.... though they are becoming more and more liberal with tarnish....soon, I think, all tarnish will grade...JMO.... Cheers, RickO

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i like the reverse on it and do have issues with the obverse as well. jmo

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    I believe it would get a 'Questionable color' designation.... though they are becoming more and more liberal with tarnish....soon, I think, all tarnish will grade...JMO.... Cheers, RickO

    The coin is tarnished.

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  • morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rexford said:
    Guys, the poster has already admitted that he messed with it. It's AT.

    I had no idea of the outcome just an experiment for my own purposes.

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  • chumleychumley Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭

    just a thank you to the poster for allowing us to publically flog his personal experiment with a Morgan and a bag

  • Coin FinderCoin Finder Posts: 7,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, they are are not laying right on the surface of the coin especially around the edges..

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Toning/tarnish is immaterial to the "grade" of a coin. It will likely influence the appear of the coin to a buyer, but that is not part of a grade.

  • mrcommemmrcommem Posts: 1,189 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The squared white area on the obverse makes the coin very questionable.

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