And I challenge Anyone to telling me I’m wrong for calling out Belichick for leaving key starters in late in the game during blowouts, refusing to start Or play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl, and not getting Brady WR help AT TIMES over the years, case in point this year.
@BillJones said:
The only fans who should bashing Belichick are those who are rooting for other teams.
Any Patriots' fan who bashing him is crazy or totally uninformed. If you think that the coaching and player selection functions are unimportant, I would suggest that you look at the record of Rich Kotie. He led the Eagles and and Jets to the bottom in successive seasons.
Patriot fans might well remember Rod Rust. He couldn't get a play started from scrimmage without a procedure penalty by the 12 game of the season. I think his team went 1-15.
The coaching and General Manager functions are THE KEY to any great sports organization. It is especially important in football because the personnel has to change so quickly, especially in mid season with all of the injuries.
It may be difficult to understand the complexity of football, usually unless you've played the game. I never played on a high level. However I did play in school grades 7 thru 12, so i think i do understand the rudimentary nuances of the game.
The fundamental difference between Belichick and all the rest of them in today's game is that he has that innate and learned ability to analyze the players out there, and pick and chose which ones are a good fit on a winning football team. Of course on the highest level of the NFL, it's more than just about talent, it's about player attitude and also motivating the players to perform their best.
Patton when he arrived in North Africa, took a well beaten and defeated American Army, and within a short period of time turned them into confident efficient soldiers who kicked the arze of the Third Reich. Belichick has that same sort of personality that he instills in his players. No fooling around, do as you're told, and with his game plan we can and will win.
Yes of course every head coach in the NFL would like to do that, and there are a few other head coaches in the NFL today who are very good, but none rises to the level of Bill Belichick the GOAT.
@perkdog said:
And I challenge Anyone to telling me I’m wrong for calling out Belichick for leaving key starters in late in the game during blowouts, refusing to start Or play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl, and not getting Brady WR help AT TIMES over the years, case in point this year.
I can’t disagree with your point about leaving the starters in the game when it is in the waning minutes and clearly safely “in the bag.” Maybe that is Belichick's weakness.
BUT that is not a reason for me to question the premise of the title that started this thread. If you can’t see the logic of what @stevek and I have posted, then wait for the day when Belichick retires. It’s going to be a challenging replacement unless he is grooming the perfect new coach somewhere on his staff.
I was following the Patriots when they had a string of bad coaches in the 1980s. I watched the Super Bowl when Bill Parcels, a very good coach, allowed the cat to get out of the bag and let it be known that he was leaving before the game was played. The Pats get creamed in that Super Bowl, in part because of that.
I remember Pete Carol was the coach, and the team got worse every year under his leadership. Pete went back to college and seemed to learn something after that.
You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand.
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@perkdog said:
And I challenge Anyone to telling me I’m wrong for calling out Belichick for leaving key starters in late in the game during blowouts, refusing to start Or play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl, and not getting Brady WR help AT TIMES over the years, case in point this year.
I can’t disagree with your point about leaving the starters in the game when it is in the waning minutes and clearly safely “in the bag.” Maybe that is Belichick's weakness.
BUT that is not a reason for me to question the premise of the title that started this thread. If you can’t see the logic of what @stevek and I have posted, then wait for the day when Belichick retires. It’s going to be a challenging replacement unless he is grooming the perfect new coach somewhere on his staff.
I was following the Patriots when they had a string of bad coaches in the 1980s. I watched the Super Bowl when Bill Parcels, a very good coach, allowed the cat to get out of the bag and let it be known that he was leaving before the game was played. The Pats get creamed in that Super Bowl, in part because of that.
I remember Pete Carol was the coach, and the team got worse every year under his leadership. Pete went back to college and seemed to learn something after that.
You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand.
<<< You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand. >>>
From what i've read here and elsewhere, it's a lot of Patriots fans who feel that way.
I agree...i can't understand it either. It's very puzzling.
We in Philly revered Dick Vermeil and all he did was get the Eagles to one Super Bowl, he didn't even win it.
We in Philly revered Dick Vermeil and all he did was get the Eagles to one Super Bowl, he didn't even win it.
I am an Eagle's fan too because I grew up with them.
I appreciate what Dick Vermeil did too, but he burned himself out completely and had to resign. Belichick has done it year after year.
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@perkdog said:
And I challenge Anyone to telling me I’m wrong for calling out Belichick for leaving key starters in late in the game during blowouts, refusing to start Or play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl, and not getting Brady WR help AT TIMES over the years, case in point this year.
I can’t disagree with your point about leaving the starters in the game when it is in the waning minutes and clearly safely “in the bag.” Maybe that is Belichick's weakness.
BUT that is not a reason for me to question the premise of the title that started this thread. If you can’t see the logic of what @stevek and I have posted, then wait for the day when Belichick retires. It’s going to be a challenging replacement unless he is grooming the perfect new coach somewhere on his staff.
I was following the Patriots when they had a string of bad coaches in the 1980s. I watched the Super Bowl when Bill Parcels, a very good coach, allowed the cat to get out of the bag and let it be known that he was leaving before the game was played. The Pats get creamed in that Super Bowl, in part because of that.
I remember Pete Carol was the coach, and the team got worse every year under his leadership. Pete went back to college and seemed to learn something after that.
You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand.
Please I remember the Dick McPherson days as well. I been watching since the Grogan days. Either way I certainly appreciate Belichick but have a problem with a bunch of things he has done, now that doesn’t mean I still don’t like or appreciate the guy, he is the best thing that happened to the Pats outside of Brady, that’s the rub right there. I like Brady better that’s all, it don’t mean I don’t appreciate or respect Big Bill. I bash Brady a lot when I watch the Pats too, he is not without fault like when it’s 3rd and a manageable few yards and he stupidly throws a deep ball to a receiver with a DB hanging on his target or doing a check down to. RB with a swarm of defenders locked in on the target. Trust me I am a very knowledgeable Pats fan and watch the games, I see good and bad with everyone.
Regarding SteveK and bringing up Patton i will throw out Chester Nimitz as an example. He was a glory filled Admiral and he did a lot of good things for the war against the Japanese but during his island hopping in the pacific he foolishly forced invasions of islands that held very little strategic importance at times and was a total waste of US Lives.
“Tom was not just a player who bought into our program. He was one of its original creators. Tom lived and perpetuated our culture. On a daily basis, he was a tone setter and a bar raiser. He won championships in three of his first four years on the field and in three of his final six seasons with us, while competing for championships in most every season in between. This is a credit to Tom's consistency and what separates him. He didn't just perform. He didn't just win. He won championships over and over again.
“Tom and I will always have a great relationship built on love, admiration, respect and appreciation. Tom's success as a player and his character as a person are exceptional. Nothing about the end of Tom's Patriots career changes how unfathomably spectacular it was. With his relentless competitiveness and longevity, he earned everyone's adoration and will be celebrated forever. It has been a privilege to coach Tom Brady for 20 years.
“Examples of Tom's greatness are limitless, going back even before he was drafted. We witnessed how he prepared when he wasn't playing, how he performed when he got his opportunity, what he did to continuously improve, his leadership, his mindset, the example he set, and, of course, the person he is. I am extremely grateful for what he did for our team and for me personally.
“Sometimes in life, it takes some time to pass before truly appreciating something or someone but that has not been the case with Tom. He is a special person and the greatest quarterback of all-time.”
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And I challenge Anyone to telling me I’m wrong for calling out Belichick for leaving key starters in late in the game during blowouts, refusing to start Or play Malcolm Butler in the Super Bowl, and not getting Brady WR help AT TIMES over the years, case in point this year.
It may be difficult to understand the complexity of football, usually unless you've played the game. I never played on a high level. However I did play in school grades 7 thru 12, so i think i do understand the rudimentary nuances of the game.
The fundamental difference between Belichick and all the rest of them in today's game is that he has that innate and learned ability to analyze the players out there, and pick and chose which ones are a good fit on a winning football team. Of course on the highest level of the NFL, it's more than just about talent, it's about player attitude and also motivating the players to perform their best.
Patton when he arrived in North Africa, took a well beaten and defeated American Army, and within a short period of time turned them into confident efficient soldiers who kicked the arze of the Third Reich. Belichick has that same sort of personality that he instills in his players. No fooling around, do as you're told, and with his game plan we can and will win.
Yes of course every head coach in the NFL would like to do that, and there are a few other head coaches in the NFL today who are very good, but none rises to the level of Bill Belichick the GOAT.
I can’t disagree with your point about leaving the starters in the game when it is in the waning minutes and clearly safely “in the bag.” Maybe that is Belichick's weakness.
BUT that is not a reason for me to question the premise of the title that started this thread. If you can’t see the logic of what @stevek and I have posted, then wait for the day when Belichick retires. It’s going to be a challenging replacement unless he is grooming the perfect new coach somewhere on his staff.
I was following the Patriots when they had a string of bad coaches in the 1980s. I watched the Super Bowl when Bill Parcels, a very good coach, allowed the cat to get out of the bag and let it be known that he was leaving before the game was played. The Pats get creamed in that Super Bowl, in part because of that.
I remember Pete Carol was the coach, and the team got worse every year under his leadership. Pete went back to college and seemed to learn something after that.
You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand.
<<< You won’t realize how important Belichick is until he’s gone. As a Patriots fan, I can't understand why that is so hard for you to understand. >>>
From what i've read here and elsewhere, it's a lot of Patriots fans who feel that way.
I agree...i can't understand it either. It's very puzzling.
We in Philly revered Dick Vermeil and all he did was get the Eagles to one Super Bowl, he didn't even win it.
I am an Eagle's fan too because I grew up with them.
I appreciate what Dick Vermeil did too, but he burned himself out completely and had to resign. Belichick has done it year after year.
Please I remember the Dick McPherson days as well. I been watching since the Grogan days. Either way I certainly appreciate Belichick but have a problem with a bunch of things he has done, now that doesn’t mean I still don’t like or appreciate the guy, he is the best thing that happened to the Pats outside of Brady, that’s the rub right there. I like Brady better that’s all, it don’t mean I don’t appreciate or respect Big Bill. I bash Brady a lot when I watch the Pats too, he is not without fault like when it’s 3rd and a manageable few yards and he stupidly throws a deep ball to a receiver with a DB hanging on his target or doing a check down to. RB with a swarm of defenders locked in on the target. Trust me I am a very knowledgeable Pats fan and watch the games, I see good and bad with everyone.
Regarding SteveK and bringing up Patton i will throw out Chester Nimitz as an example. He was a glory filled Admiral and he did a lot of good things for the war against the Japanese but during his island hopping in the pacific he foolishly forced invasions of islands that held very little strategic importance at times and was a total waste of US Lives.
Don't remember if it's been referenced before, but Joe Posnanski did a great article on Belichick stories. Here's a good one.
Oh I'm sorry, i accidentally bumped this thread.
I didn't mean to do it.
Total waste of time...WGAS?
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Here was the release from Belichick:
“Tom was not just a player who bought into our program. He was one of its original creators. Tom lived and perpetuated our culture. On a daily basis, he was a tone setter and a bar raiser. He won championships in three of his first four years on the field and in three of his final six seasons with us, while competing for championships in most every season in between. This is a credit to Tom's consistency and what separates him. He didn't just perform. He didn't just win. He won championships over and over again.
“Tom and I will always have a great relationship built on love, admiration, respect and appreciation. Tom's success as a player and his character as a person are exceptional. Nothing about the end of Tom's Patriots career changes how unfathomably spectacular it was. With his relentless competitiveness and longevity, he earned everyone's adoration and will be celebrated forever. It has been a privilege to coach Tom Brady for 20 years.
“Examples of Tom's greatness are limitless, going back even before he was drafted. We witnessed how he prepared when he wasn't playing, how he performed when he got his opportunity, what he did to continuously improve, his leadership, his mindset, the example he set, and, of course, the person he is. I am extremely grateful for what he did for our team and for me personally.
“Sometimes in life, it takes some time to pass before truly appreciating something or someone but that has not been the case with Tom. He is a special person and the greatest quarterback of all-time.”
Aww, Bill, I bet you say that about all the guys.
He came close to tearing up during his Tedy Bruschi retirement speech.
Eric
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