Mine has spots.
Had to call the Mint because the online return system wouldn’t work.
I think I’ll just call it a wash and hope a PCGS 70 is clean.
3 to 5 business days for my return label to come to my email. Good Lordy, they are slow.
@MilesWaits said:
Mine has spots.
Had to call the Mint because the online return system wouldn’t work.
I think I’ll just call it a wash and hope a PCGS 70 is clean.
3 to 5 business days for my return label to come to my email. Good Lordy, they are slow.
Some body has some Splainin to do! Ohhh Boy the Mint! Well at least they got one of my refunds right but forgot about the other one the more expensive one. But that does not surprise me.
With the big dealers if the quality is poor, they have refunded me on PCGS 70s. I have one of the black labels coming.
I would be very cautious about leaving these sealed in the Mint box.
@Gluggo said:
Some body has some Splainin to do! Ohhh Boy the Mint! Well at least they got one of my refunds right but forgot about the other one the more expensive one. But that does not surprise me.
Luv this...
~HABE FIDUCIAM IN DOMINO III V VI / III XVI~ POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
It is a sight to behold with exception of those "hairlines." I'm not going to send mine back...I'm thinking whatever created these hairlines was a step in the production process, and therefore can not be avoided. Many of the hairlines appear to be going into the device, almost like you'd expect a die scratch to appear.
I'm guessing that the blanks, before struck, had deep, and numerous hairlines, and when struck, we are seeing the artifacts of these hairlines? Hairlines are even on the rims, and also in the shallow crevice around the inside perimeter of the rim.
@PocketArt said:
It is a sight to behold with exception of those "hairlines." I'm not going to send mine back...I'm thinking whatever created these hairlines was a step in the production process, and therefore can not be avoided. Many of the hairlines appear to be going into the device, almost like you'd expect a die scratch to appear.
I'm guessing that the blanks, before struck, had deep, and numerous hairlines, and when struck, we are seeing the artifacts of these hairlines? Hairlines are even on the rims, and also in the shallow crevice around the perimeter of the rim.
I don't know. I'd like to see a slabbed 69 or 70 in hand.
I won't be holding this issue with hairlines or spots.
Too distracting. Too bad. We will see with my PCGS 70.
I am not seeking ultra modern "pocket looking" coins.
Just mailed my $100 gold to our hosts for TrueView and grading and expect a MS70 DMPL at first look at least from my view so far. NO hairline scratches. Actually beautiful coin in spite of a bit less desirable design IMO.
@PocketArt said:
It is a sight to behold with exception of those "hairlines." I'm not going to send mine back...I'm thinking whatever created these hairlines was a step in the production process, and therefore can not be avoided. Many of the hairlines appear to be going into the device, almost like you'd expect a die scratch to appear.
I'm guessing that the blanks, before struck, had deep, and numerous hairlines, and when struck, we are seeing the artifacts of these hairlines? Hairlines are even on the rims, and also in the shallow crevice around the inside perimeter of the rim.
Could what is being seen as scratches actually be flow lines where the metal was pushed to the design and rims? It seems to me that this type of thing has happened before. I am asking this question to try and understand what could be the answer to this. If someone like Daniel Carr could comment on this I would appreciate it.
On BS&T Now: Nothing. Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up! Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
I can easily see the lines in your last picture. Click on it to blow it up, and look in front of her face.
I did look again, this time with a Loop, the hairlines go in every direction like it was polished with a buffer. I also noticed other things on the open field that reminded me of an overstrike, something is not right with these, it's not the piece of art that I expected to get.
On BS&T Now: Nothing. Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up! Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
Here's some photos. You have to tilt the medals at the right angle to see them.
Some of these pictures make it look like the lines are die scratches (like the lines that go behind the Eagle's head but not across it).
Other pictures make it look like some sort of buffing and/or "whizzing" going on.
I wonder if some medals came out with blemishes, and the blemishes were eradicated by whizzing over them ?
Here's some photos. You have to tilt the medals at the right angle to see them.
Some of these pictures make it look like the lines are die scratches (like the lines that go behind the Eagle's head but not across it).
Other pictures make it look like some sort of buffing and/or "whizzing" going on.
I wonder if some medals came out with blemishes, and the blemishes were eradicated by whizzing over them ?
Yes, there are some that are just in the fields, but there are also some on the devices (like the bust). They do not appear to be raised. They are very thin and not very deep. They look like a light rub to me. Either way, it has destroyed the appearance of the medal.
Thank you for the very very vivid photos, Daniel.
The coin looks absolutely horrid in that condition. If I could fit it in my pocket comfortably, I’d consider keeping it at spot.
Bonus as this may be a very low mintage with minimal acceptable graded versions.
@meluaufeet said:
Maybe a batch gone bad... They got a bunch more to sell.
They got more than a bunch...
8/18/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 4948
8/25/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 5441
8/18/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL 2.5 OZ 15882
8/25/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL 2.5 OZ 18958
Compare to first reported sales for 2017...
4/16/2017 2017 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 17704
6/18/2017 2017 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL (P) 33075
I'm wondering if it's too late to correct whatever happened in the production process that created the hairline issue with the 2.5 oz medal. Do we know if production of the 50,000 medals has been completed at the mint?
@PocketArt said:
I'm wondering if it's too late to correct whatever happened in the production process that created the hairline issue with the 2.5 oz medal. Do we know if production of the 50,000 medals has been completed at the mint?
If it goes BO or UNA then more is probably being made but it’ll have to hit the phantom threshold of number sold. IMO
@PocketArt said:
I'm wondering if it's too late to correct whatever happened in the production process that created the hairline issue with the 2.5 oz medal. Do we know if production of the 50,000 medals has been completed at the mint?
Most likely the vast majority of the "limited edition" run. With medals, they can leave them for sale for 100 years if they want. And with silver medals, they can always melt them if they want.
I received my silver medal and it looks pretty good. There are a few very small hairlines but nothing at all like above in some photos.
However, I have been trying to submit it for grading all morning and the online submission form will not let me add it to my order with the 2019 President Monroe silver medal and a few other regular size medals. It says "oversize holder error" must be submitted on separate forms. This is something I did not see before.
To do Gold Shield with TrueView $30, oversize holder $20, first strike $18, handling $10, return shipping $22 on a separate form is $100 to grade one of these medals plus cost to send it there. It costs more to grade it separately than the medal itself.
Immediate $100 loss if it came back a 69 so just does not seem worth the risk to grade it.
@Goldminers said:
I received my silver medal and it looks pretty good. There are a few very small hairlines but nothing at all like above in some photos.
However, I have been trying to submit it for grading all morning and the online submission form will not let me add it to my order with the 2019 President Monroe silver medal and a few other regular size medals. It says "oversize holder error" must be submitted on separate forms. This is something I did not see before.
To do Gold Shield with TrueView $30, oversize holder $20, first strike $18, handling $10, return shipping $22 on a separate form is $100 to grade one of these medals plus cost to send it there. It costs more to grade it separately than the medal itself.
Immediate $100 loss if it came back a 69 so just does not seem worth the risk to grade it.
Why not just submit on a paper form and not have to deal with this stuff? Just pay for 1 oversized holder
My Au & Ag went off for grading on Monday and was delivered today. Anticipating logged in to the system Monday and 2 weeks for grading. Return shipping 4 days so about September 20th back in hand.....hopefully.
I did include the Over Sized Holder on the form but not the First Strike or True View. $29.20 to ship Registered Mail and $104 grading fee and return shipping. Taking my chances on 70's but prepared for 69's.
I slabbed the previous ones so for consistency did these.
Why not just submit on a paper form and not have to deal with this stuff? Just pay for 1 oversized holder
Not sure if it is a new rule that oversize must be on a different form only with other oversized medals like it says on the online form?
I already have to do a separate form for crossovers, another for medals worth more than $300 each, another for medals worth less than $300 each, another for the 2019 $100 gold Liberty coin, and now possibly another form for oversize ones.
Seems like a trend. but It is all that extra return shipping and handling fees that are tough.
@MilesWaits said:
I am excited and a bit hopeful for my pre-ordered PCGS 70 Ag coming in without the whizzed issue.
I will keep ya all posted.
Good luck with your purchase from BE. I got my graded one from Pinehurst. I see they are selling a lot (80 so far) of ungraded medals at $5 BELOW the Mint price on eBay (I assume with some hairlines). This makes me feel a lot of medals were purchased to flip and 70 grades not working well with bulk submittals.
@Kudbegud said:
My Au & Ag went off for grading on Monday and was delivered today. Anticipating logged in to the system Monday and 2 weeks for grading. Return shipping 4 days so about September 20th back in hand.....hopefully.
I did include the Over Sized Holder on the form but not the First Strike or True View. $29.20 to ship Registered Mail and $104 grading fee and return shipping. Taking my chances on 70's but prepared for 69's.
I slabbed the previous ones so for consistency did these.
But what would it have cost to just buy a 70?
Honestly, I generally don't think that submission of moderns is cost effective for anyone but the bulk submitters who only pay $5ish per coin for normal sized coins. PCGS FS 70s are available for $275. You're going to be at $235 without the FS. [I couldn't find any for sale without FS.] And that's right now in the midst of the rush. Wait for a 10% eBay buck's offer and you are at $250 with no risk of getting a 69.
Sounds to me like he enjoys the thrill of the personal hunt for a 70.
The biggest reason I purchased mine graded via a big dealer is if it is whizzed, I will not be keeping it, but they will.
@MilesWaits said:
Sounds to me like he enjoys the thrill of the personal hunt for a 70.
The biggest reason I purchased mine graded via a big dealer is if it is whizzed, I will not be keeping it, but they will.
could be. Just pointing out the obvious for anyone less interested in the Thrill of the Hunt.
Well I bought a graded 70 one from a dealer as a sure thing, since I collect modern silver.
Totally impossible to know real odds 69 vs 70 since so many are looked at first and even then, many are not counted even when sent in, if graded 69's to save slabbing fees for bulk submitters. So yes, agree it is often better to buy than submit, especially if finish flaws are seen early on. Block Island quarter for a recent example. These hairlines could be similar. Not enough info yet.
However, I decided mine from the Mint was nice enough, found a few other big medals to grade with it, and sent mine in and will hope for the best. I actually really wanted a TrueView of mine as I think it will look very nice if the photo is done well.
@jmlanzaf said:
But what would it have cost to just buy a 70?
Note that I sent in an Au and the Ag. So my average cost was about $65 each. I'm pretty sure a 70 for either will be more premium than my $65 cost. It was a calculated risk getting 70's. I saw no scratches on the silver and a "perfect" gold.
Still, 70 is not a given. Don't we all know the puzzlement of why a coin got a 69.
I will report as soon as I see my grades.
Very stunning how the eyes are receiving the wind .
She looks very comfortable viewing somthing that makes her feel proud and safe.
The yellow is the better flow of the detail.The eye is the attention getter .
Do all eagles look so serious? LUV the plain obverse style.
I just received a notice that the 70 Ag I ordered is delayed, as grading quality is very poor and both NGC and PCGS have problems with oversize slab availability and handling time.
@Goldminers said:
I just received a notice that the 70 Ag I ordered is delayed, as grading quality is very poor and both NGC and PCGS have problems with oversize slab availability and handling time.
Dont let him off the hook pressure him maybe a $100.00 fine per day! Make him pay you deserve better. Somebody has to pay!
L&C Coins Sent a mailer email out and they have the PCGS gold in 70 but the silver only in
PCGS 69.
Causes me to wonder if this silver liberty is going to grade at PCGS 70, NGC will of course, and if it does, is it going to be hairline free.
@MilesWaits said:
L&C Coins Sent a mailer email out and they have the PCGS gold in 70 but the silver only in
PCGS 69.
Causes me to wonder if this silver liberty is going to grade at PCGS 70, NGC will of course, and if it does, is it going to be hairline free.
70s might have a big premium. We better buy 1000 and see if we can find a couple.
I’m wondering if I get American liberty coin graded at Long Beach show, can I get it back the same day if I go early to drop off at PCGS booth? If so what’s the cut off times?
I opened the box thinking it was amazon package, Can the coin get First day of issue designation or First strike? Thank you.
@smartdriver said:
I’m wondering if I get American liberty coin graded at Long Beach show, can I get it back the same day if I go early to drop off at PCGS booth? If so what’s the cut off times?
I opened the box thinking it was amazon package, Can the coin get First day of issue designation or First strike? Thank you.
PCGS allows medals/coins to be opened, but they must receive it within the specific cutoff date around 30 days. For this medal it is Monday Sept. 16th. to allow for First Strike. After that it must be in the unopened box from the Mint. https://www.pcgs.com/firststrike
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Mine has spots.
Had to call the Mint because the online return system wouldn’t work.
I think I’ll just call it a wash and hope a PCGS 70 is clean.
3 to 5 business days for my return label to come to my email. Good Lordy, they are slow.
Yeah, well i'm still waiting for the return label
Some body has some Splainin to do! Ohhh Boy the Mint! Well at least they got one of my refunds right but forgot about the other one the more expensive one. But that does not surprise me.
Darn, too many issues.
The PCGS 70's in Flag FS labels are about $250-300 currently still early days.
I have a feeling my Mint version will be headed back and even wonder about the 70 I just bought as backup?
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
With the big dealers if the quality is poor, they have refunded me on PCGS 70s. I have one of the black labels coming.
I would be very cautious about leaving these sealed in the Mint box.
I purchased my PCGS 70 Black Label (dig the look) on eBay through Bullion Exchanges and they have a money back guarantee.
My silver medal will be here tomorrow...that sinking feeling. This is a disturbing trend this year. Can it get worse???
You might get lucky! Do you feel lucky?
Maybe get a struck-through debris...odds may be in my favor with all the quality issues....
Might be my eyes, but it appears raised on the star.
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
Luv this...
POST NUBILA PHOEBUS / AFTER CLOUDS, SUN
Love for Music / Collector of Dreck
19DA 2019 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 5,441 + 493
19DB 2019 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL 2.5 OZ 18,958 +3,076
It is a sight to behold with exception of those "hairlines." I'm not going to send mine back...I'm thinking whatever created these hairlines was a step in the production process, and therefore can not be avoided. Many of the hairlines appear to be going into the device, almost like you'd expect a die scratch to appear.
I'm guessing that the blanks, before struck, had deep, and numerous hairlines, and when struck, we are seeing the artifacts of these hairlines? Hairlines are even on the rims, and also in the shallow crevice around the inside perimeter of the rim.
I don't know. I'd like to see a slabbed 69 or 70 in hand.
I won't be holding this issue with hairlines or spots.
Too distracting. Too bad. We will see with my PCGS 70.
I am not seeking ultra modern "pocket looking" coins.
Just mailed my $100 gold to our hosts for TrueView and grading and expect a MS70 DMPL at first look at least from my view so far. NO hairline scratches. Actually beautiful coin in spite of a bit less desirable design IMO.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Could what is being seen as scratches actually be flow lines where the metal was pushed to the design and rims? It seems to me that this type of thing has happened before. I am asking this question to try and understand what could be the answer to this. If someone like Daniel Carr could comment on this I would appreciate it.
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
I did look again, this time with a Loop, the hairlines go in every direction like it was polished with a buffer. I also noticed other things on the open field that reminded me of an overstrike, something is not right with these, it's not the piece of art that I expected to get.
Fighting the Fight for 11 Years with the big "C" - Never Ever Give Up!
Member PCGS Open Forum board 2002 - 2006 (closed end of 2006) Current board since 2006 Successful trades with many members, over the past two decades, never a bad deal.
Some of these pictures make it look like the lines are die scratches (like the lines that go behind the Eagle's head but not across it).
Other pictures make it look like some sort of buffing and/or "whizzing" going on.
I wonder if some medals came out with blemishes, and the blemishes were eradicated by whizzing over them ?
Yes, there are some that are just in the fields, but there are also some on the devices (like the bust). They do not appear to be raised. They are very thin and not very deep. They look like a light rub to me. Either way, it has destroyed the appearance of the medal.
Thank you for the very very vivid photos, Daniel.
The coin looks absolutely horrid in that condition. If I could fit it in my pocket comfortably, I’d consider keeping it at spot.
Bonus as this may be a very low mintage with minimal acceptable graded versions.
Here is some pre sale pics on Ebay for 299.00 wonder if they will be able to full full the sale? I don’t see any hairline scratches on this one.
That looks like a stock photo. It says sample on the slab.
Yes I just picked it without really looking sorry
Maybe a batch gone bad... They got a bunch more to sell.
They got more than a bunch...
8/18/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 4948
8/25/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 5441
8/18/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL 2.5 OZ 15882
8/25/2019 2019 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL 2.5 OZ 18958
Compare to first reported sales for 2017...
4/16/2017 2017 AM LIBERTY 24K GOLD 1 OZ 17704
6/18/2017 2017 AM LIBERTY SILVER MEDAL (P) 33075
I'm wondering if it's too late to correct whatever happened in the production process that created the hairline issue with the 2.5 oz medal. Do we know if production of the 50,000 medals has been completed at the mint?
If it goes BO or UNA then more is probably being made but it’ll have to hit the phantom threshold of number sold. IMO
Most likely the vast majority of the "limited edition" run. With medals, they can leave them for sale for 100 years if they want. And with silver medals, they can always melt them if they want.
I received my silver medal and it looks pretty good. There are a few very small hairlines but nothing at all like above in some photos.
However, I have been trying to submit it for grading all morning and the online submission form will not let me add it to my order with the 2019 President Monroe silver medal and a few other regular size medals. It says "oversize holder error" must be submitted on separate forms. This is something I did not see before.
To do Gold Shield with TrueView $30, oversize holder $20, first strike $18, handling $10, return shipping $22 on a separate form is $100 to grade one of these medals plus cost to send it there. It costs more to grade it separately than the medal itself.
Immediate $100 loss if it came back a 69 so just does not seem worth the risk to grade it.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Why not just submit on a paper form and not have to deal with this stuff? Just pay for 1 oversized holder
My Au & Ag went off for grading on Monday and was delivered today. Anticipating logged in to the system Monday and 2 weeks for grading. Return shipping 4 days so about September 20th back in hand.....hopefully.
I did include the Over Sized Holder on the form but not the First Strike or True View. $29.20 to ship Registered Mail and $104 grading fee and return shipping. Taking my chances on 70's but prepared for 69's.
I slabbed the previous ones so for consistency did these.
Not sure if it is a new rule that oversize must be on a different form only with other oversized medals like it says on the online form?
I already have to do a separate form for crossovers, another for medals worth more than $300 each, another for medals worth less than $300 each, another for the 2019 $100 gold Liberty coin, and now possibly another form for oversize ones.
Seems like a trend. but It is all that extra return shipping and handling fees that are tough.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
I am excited and a bit hopeful for my pre-ordered PCGS 70 Ag coming in without the whizzed issue.
I will keep ya all posted.
Good luck with your purchase from BE. I got my graded one from Pinehurst. I see they are selling a lot (80 so far) of ungraded medals at $5 BELOW the Mint price on eBay (I assume with some hairlines). This makes me feel a lot of medals were purchased to flip and 70 grades not working well with bulk submittals.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
But what would it have cost to just buy a 70?
Honestly, I generally don't think that submission of moderns is cost effective for anyone but the bulk submitters who only pay $5ish per coin for normal sized coins. PCGS FS 70s are available for $275. You're going to be at $235 without the FS. [I couldn't find any for sale without FS.] And that's right now in the midst of the rush. Wait for a 10% eBay buck's offer and you are at $250 with no risk of getting a 69.
Sounds to me like he enjoys the thrill of the personal hunt for a 70.
The biggest reason I purchased mine graded via a big dealer is if it is whizzed, I will not be keeping it, but they will.
could be. Just pointing out the obvious for anyone less interested in the Thrill of the Hunt.
Well I bought a graded 70 one from a dealer as a sure thing, since I collect modern silver.
Totally impossible to know real odds 69 vs 70 since so many are looked at first and even then, many are not counted even when sent in, if graded 69's to save slabbing fees for bulk submitters. So yes, agree it is often better to buy than submit, especially if finish flaws are seen early on. Block Island quarter for a recent example. These hairlines could be similar. Not enough info yet.
However, I decided mine from the Mint was nice enough, found a few other big medals to grade with it, and sent mine in and will hope for the best. I actually really wanted a TrueView of mine as I think it will look very nice if the photo is done well.
.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Note that I sent in an Au and the Ag. So my average cost was about $65 each. I'm pretty sure a 70 for either will be more premium than my $65 cost. It was a calculated risk getting 70's. I saw no scratches on the silver and a "perfect" gold.
Still, 70 is not a given. Don't we all know the puzzlement of why a coin got a 69.
I will report as soon as I see my grades.
Very stunning how the eyes are receiving the wind .
She looks very comfortable viewing somthing that makes her feel proud and safe.
The yellow is the better flow of the detail.The eye is the attention getter .
Do all eagles look so serious? LUV the plain obverse style.
I just received a notice that the 70 Ag I ordered is delayed, as grading quality is very poor and both NGC and PCGS have problems with oversize slab availability and handling time.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Dont let him off the hook pressure him maybe a $100.00 fine per day! Make him pay you deserve better. Somebody has to pay!
L&C Coins Sent a mailer email out and they have the PCGS gold in 70 but the silver only in
PCGS 69.
Causes me to wonder if this silver liberty is going to grade at PCGS 70, NGC will of course, and if it does, is it going to be hairline free.
70s might have a big premium. We better buy 1000 and see if we can find a couple.
Sounds good if it wasn’t for that tricky and bulletproof Mint return policy!
I’m wondering if I get American liberty coin graded at Long Beach show, can I get it back the same day if I go early to drop off at PCGS booth? If so what’s the cut off times?
I opened the box thinking it was amazon package, Can the coin get First day of issue designation or First strike? Thank you.
PCGS allows medals/coins to be opened, but they must receive it within the specific cutoff date around 30 days. For this medal it is Monday Sept. 16th. to allow for First Strike. After that it must be in the unopened box from the Mint. https://www.pcgs.com/firststrike
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
Thank you