1893-S Morgan Silver Dollar
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Anybody recognize this PCGS holder? Seems a lot fishy.
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That looks like the fakest coin and holder I’ve ever seen. Please report it to get it removed.
Always buying nice toned coins! Searching for a low grade 1873 Arrows DDO Dime and 1842-O Small Date Quarter.
That coin is no 65. Not even close. Trying to pass that as a 65 SCREAMS fake.
The 1893-S diagnostics have three denticles spacing from the bust truncation that points to the middle of the denticles to the letter 1. This one has two denticles. A clear fake and overgraded by about 20 points.
Super fake
Collector, occasional seller
Chinese special?
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Reported
Circ cam though.
In the old days members here would engage in a frenetic bidding way.
Anyone game?
Fake coin and holder, as many have said.
The same seller has used Shrek's Carnival Craze Party Games for $7.49 BIN with free shipping!
ebay.com/itm/Shreks-Carnival-Craze-Party-Games
Reported.
Wow... so much wrong with this one.... and still up with ten bids.... Cheers, RickO
It’s more fishy than any aquarium that I have ever visited. Amazing what people will do to make a buck.
Reported...not that it will probably matter these days! I reported all of those terribly obvious fake VF 85-CC Morgans those 2 people from Indiana had and all of them got positive feedback!
Counterfeit holder, counterfeit coin. The lettering and numbering fonts are not right.
It would be well if you could show as much of this thing as possible so that we can maintain records of the appearance of counterfeit coins.
Thank you!
I guess when you are in the Chinese counterfeit business you go for the gusto and house your piece of crap in an MS-65 holder.
Bidding over $1k now, maybe we can get it to blast over $5K before it gets shot down.
It has 13 bids and really looks like a bargain since real MS-65s are selling for $500 K.
How many people who are bidding on this thing are total lunk heads? Are they really that stupid? It's amazing that they have access to $2,500 + to pay for this thing.
Lunk Heads, YES. It's amazing that anyone would even want it simply from the look of it for the posted grade.
Pete
You will never go broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.
I sent the seller a note and he responded. He has no clue, doesn't do coins. Told him to take it to a coin shop. I told him they were available on Aliexpress for under $50.
his response:
New message from: national2sell (2,331Red Star)
Hi
Thank you for the feedback. How do you know that this coin is fake I looked on Aliexpress I did not find a similar coin and yes I am not familiar with the coin.
Thanks
bob
horrible FAKE
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thats very bogus and they pulled it already
the print is the first give away. I see this on a 2015 coin talk video
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I threw in a bid and got this:
eBay Bid Cancellation Notice - Item
Dear eBay Community Member,
The bid that you entered for the item (352430883527) has been cancelled. You can view the reason provided for the cancellation by selecting the (bid history) link from the individual item page.
Please be cautious if you are contacted about purchasing this item after the bid has been cancelled and as always avoid paying for your eBay item using instant wire transfer services through Western Union or MoneyGram as these payment methods are unsafe when paying someone you do not know.
Regards,
eBay
lol yeah that looks like a $725 thousand dollar coin, hell, I'll buy 2 of them if he has them!
Fake without having to confirm any diagnostics even has the manufactured wear n grime. Only one obverse die was used, so If the 1 of the date isn't over the 4th dentil to the right of the point of the neck truncation it's no good. The diagnostic can be used all the way down to G6, it does slightly favor the 5th dentil and IMO is not squarely over the 4th dentil.
You don't even have to get that technical. The thing looks like it's made of lead, zinc and shoe polish.
Yay us for getting it taken down!
The lack of a die crack in the T, along with the other diagnostics already mentioned, is a dead giveaway that the coin is fake. The slab looks bad too. And trying to pass that as a MS 65 is a joke. Heck even ANACS wouldn't give it more than 35.
Die crack or die polish line in the T?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I've always thought of it as a hairline crack that was in the single obv die that was used for the 93s. The metal flowed into the die crack during minting process and created a raised line in the T. I wasn't there in 1893
so I'm not sure what caused the "crack or line" in the die.
I have seen (and owned) a few 93's in lower grades that you couldn't see the line (or crack) at all, even under magnification. That always bother me even when all the other diagnostics checked out and they were graded by PCGS or NGC. I have one now in 35 and the line/crack is visible without a loop.
I think that it’s a die scratch. A crack should get bigger, and a polish mark would not be that sharp and well defined.
The mark is a lot bigger than just what you see in the "T." On AU or better pieces you can that it runs up into the cap. The "T" is only a small part of the entire mark.
That makes sense to me.
At the risk of being accused of hair splitting I've always read that that a major diagnostic for authenticating a genuine 1893-S Morgan dollar is a diagonal die polish line that's inside the vertical upright of the T in LIBERTY. Since it's in a protected area it can be seen in even low grade specimens. I hope CaptHenway and Insider2 who are profession authenticators would chime in here.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Here's the photo of the real thing ... a little bit nicer than the fake.
Kind regards,
George
PCGS advises perspective buyers to check to see if the certification number matches to the slab. In this case, it does. It’s just that the number is on a bogus slab and piece of metal. If you are mentally challenged, you might think that you have a chance at buying the $700,000 + item for $2,500 via eBay.
I just did a Yahoo and a Google search on 1893s diagnostics. There are a lot of links/information. I looked at about 10 of them. Depending on the link, they called the "anomaly" in the T either a mark, raised die mark, a line, a raised line a scratch and a die scratch. I'm sure there are even more defining words. So I pulled out my copy of US Silver Dollars (by Highfill) and he called it a raised die scratch.
Clearly lot's of opinions.
I'm not sure it matters what word/words are used to describe the "anomaly" since they are all telling you to look for it in the T. And once you have seen it, you'll know it.
Absolutely. Doesn't matter what it's called. It could even be called "Money".
Or "BINGO".
Hold your cards, please.
Pete