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Coin #2 - 1915-S $1 Pan-Pac - Counterfeit or not?

ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

Now this is straight out of the Fivaz book: depression on the right side of the "9" indicates counterfeit - but it it not exactly the same position as the counterfeit in the book. Coin looks good to me otherwise - so I really don't know! :/

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  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭

    That looks off....

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  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I submitted one of these to PCGS about 2 years ago. It's the only gold coin I ever submitted and the only one ever to come back counterfeit.

    I still can't see how it was a fake.

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 12,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If in doubt...don't.

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  • philographerphilographer Posts: 1,316 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There’s a reason it’s not in plastic?!

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  • GluggoGluggo Posts: 3,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s nice lookin that would of fooled me

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 27, 2018 7:58PM

    There is a copy of Bill's book at work. I'll look on Monday. For now, the coin looks genuine but it is a little washed out and "soft" so you may be right. Copper spots are EXTREMELY RARE on counterfeit gold. I've only seen it on two fakes in almost fifty years. Your image does not magnify sharply. Post an image of the reverse and then just the mintmark. I should be able to tell.

    PS Don't believe everything you see in books.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here is a reverse pic. I don't see anything that would scream "fake" - Fivaz's book shows a fake with depressions on "D" and "O" in DOLLAR, but I don't see any on this one or anywhere else on the reverse.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks real to me. Very rarely do counterfeits show copper spots. Also, the pale color indices that it may have been dipped. Why even consider buying raw classic gold coins when there are plenty of NGC and PCGS slabbed coins available in the marketplace?

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  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks ok to me !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin looks genuine to me. And yes, copper spots on counterfeit gold coins are very unusual. The biggest negative to the piece is that it looks dipped and washed with respect to color.

    Here is one on my collection, which is a certified MS-64.


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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,440 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    The coin looks genuine to me. And yes, copper spots on counterfeit gold coins are very unusual. The biggest negative to the piece is that it looks dipped and washed with respect to color.

    Here is one on my collection, which is a certified MS-64.


    Beautiful coin. Absolutely love that color.

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  • thebeavthebeav Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IIRC, there was a common counterfeit of this coin years ago. A Lebanon variety.
    It had a raised pimple on the brim of the guys hat.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin appears to be authentic... I agree the color looks quite pale though... not sure if that is lighting/photograph....Cheers, RickO

  • Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2018 5:56AM

    @thebeav said:
    IIRC, there was a common counterfeit of this coin years ago. A Lebanon variety.
    It had a raised pimple on the brim of the guys hat.

    IIRC, the pimple you mention on the hat can also be found on genuine coins. It is just off the brim on the body of the cap.

    Please remember what I posted above. Don't believe all you read or hear. This applies, especially to counterfeits and counterfeit authenticators.

    Therefore, take what I just posted about this diagnostic and check it out. I'm going to check my records to make sure my memory is still correct and I'm not passing on misinformation. :)

    PS I'll try to find an image.

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    the color looks off to me in this so no comment right about now. jmo

  • RogerBRogerB Posts: 8,852 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No assessment of color is valid unless made under standard, controlled conditions.

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