@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
The Eagles never had a head coach as great as Bill Belichick.
Now we've got somebody better.
I'm keeping score:
Doug Peterson 1
Bill Belichick 0
Stop cherry picking stats. No matter how many times you choose to ignore it,YES there was a previous SB between the NE head coach and your favorite team where your favorite team's QB was literally puking on his cleats in the huddle with the game on the line.
Eagles 1
Belichick 1
Since we're cherry picking stats today,how about this one?
Eagles 1 SB win
Patriots 5 SB wins
here's another one that is pretty funny
Eagles 1 SB win
Cowboys 5 SB wins
You're living in the past Eric, and that's fine. You and Dimeman can enjoy a reminiscing party together and celebrate how good your teams used to be.
I'd rather be coming off a Super Bowl win, with a young potential HOF quarterback, filled with other young talented players, along with the best coaching staff in the NFL, as well as the greatest football fans of all time.
Go Eagles!!!!!
We know all to well about your fellow Eagles fans,a simple Google search is a great reminder and since you don't like going to far into the past,just go back to their last game in Philly against the Vikings to see what real Eagles fans are like.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
It seems like a blip unless you were living though that season and half. Every week it was the same thing. The defense would play heroically and keep the Eagles in the game until they were worn down to nothing because they had to be on the field all the time. In the meantime, “The Chipster’s” offense would have one three and out after another taking about 40 seconds off the clock each time. The fans booed, as they had a perfect right to do, while "The Chipster" stood there with an arrogant look on his face.
What is the definition of insanity or foolishness? Calling the same offense strategy over and over again and thinking that you were going to get a different result.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
The Eagles never had a head coach as great as Bill Belichick.
Now we've got somebody better.
I'm keeping score:
Doug Peterson 1
Bill Belichick 0
Stop cherry picking stats. No matter how many times you choose to ignore it,YES there was a previous SB between the NE head coach and your favorite team where your favorite team's QB was literally puking on his cleats in the huddle with the game on the line.
Eagles 1
Belichick 1
Since we're cherry picking stats today,how about this one?
Eagles 1 SB win
Patriots 5 SB wins
here's another one that is pretty funny
Eagles 1 SB win
Cowboys 5 SB wins
You're living in the past Eric, and that's fine. You and Dimeman can enjoy a reminiscing party together and celebrate how good your teams used to be.
I'd rather be coming off a Super Bowl win, with a young potential HOF quarterback, filled with other young talented players, along with the best coaching staff in the NFL, as well as the greatest football fans of all time.
Go Eagles!!!!!
Steve.....first the past counts and second you are putting waaaaaaaay to much on this 1 SB win and coach. You need to come down to earth. Not too many teams have won back to back SB's. The Cowboy's are one of them!
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
It seems like a blip unless you were living though that season and half. Every week it was the same thing. The defense would play heroically and keep the Eagles in the game until they were worn down to nothing because they had to be on the field all the time. In the meantime, “The Chipster’s” offense would have one three and out after another taking about 40 seconds off the clock each time. The fans booed, as they had a perfect right to do, while "The Chipster" stood there with an arrogant look on his face.
What is the definition of insanity or foolishness? Calling the same offense strategy over and over again and thinking that you were going to get a different result.
True but you do notice the key phrase there,right? How long have the Eagles been in the NFL?
I'm also surprised Steve isn't throwing this one out there as well
Chip Kelly 1
Bill Belichick 0
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
The Eagles never had a head coach as great as Bill Belichick.
Now we've got somebody better.
I'm keeping score:
Doug Peterson 1
Bill Belichick 0
Stop cherry picking stats. No matter how many times you choose to ignore it,YES there was a previous SB between the NE head coach and your favorite team where your favorite team's QB was literally puking on his cleats in the huddle with the game on the line.
Eagles 1
Belichick 1
Since we're cherry picking stats today,how about this one?
Eagles 1 SB win
Patriots 5 SB wins
here's another one that is pretty funny
Eagles 1 SB win
Cowboys 5 SB wins
You're living in the past Eric, and that's fine. You and Dimeman can enjoy a reminiscing party together and celebrate how good your teams used to be.
I'd rather be coming off a Super Bowl win, with a young potential HOF quarterback, filled with other young talented players, along with the best coaching staff in the NFL, as well as the greatest football fans of all time.
Go Eagles!!!!!
Steve.....first the past counts and second you are putting waaaaaaaay to much on this 1 SB win and coach. You need to come down to earth. Not too many teams have won back to back SB's. The Cowboy's are one of them!
Yea, in another century - I forgot if it was the 20th or 19th century. Was Texas a state yet? LOL
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
It seems like a blip unless you were living though that season and half. Every week it was the same thing. The defense would play heroically and keep the Eagles in the game until they were worn down to nothing because they had to be on the field all the time. In the meantime, “The Chipster’s” offense would have one three and out after another taking about 40 seconds off the clock each time. The fans booed, as they had a perfect right to do, while "The Chipster" stood there with an arrogant look on his face.
What is the definition of insanity or foolishness? Calling the same offense strategy over and over again and thinking that you were going to get a different result.
I think that Jeff Lurie thought that with Chip Kelly, he was getting a Dick Vermeil.
For a time, it seemed like it could work. However for reasons you say, plus the hard fact is that Chip Kelly could not seem to grasp effectively evaluating NFL talent.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
Few women are.
Or that rich.
Rich and beautiful. Where do I sign-up?
You gotta be at least a three time SB winner, looks like Carson Wentz & Nick Foles will never have a shot
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
@DIMEMAN said:
Hard to say what my Cowboys will do this year. We went 13-3 a couple of years ago and got a bye then spotted the Packers too many points to come back on!
I think they'll be better than last season just for the fact the team won't have the Zeke Elliot drama hanging over the team all thru training camp and most of the season. If Dak & Zeke stay healthy i think they're a 10+ wins team.
Point taken, but I don't think it matters. The Cowboys will find a way to choke, one way or the other. Just a question of how they are going to do it this season. LOL
After Philly shown they were capable of taking their heads out of their asses for once in their team's history anything is possible including with the Dallas Cowboys.
A great deal of the success hinges on the coach and general manager. Philly had an unfortunate period with a coach named Chip Kelly. The man had a huge ego and listened to no one. His offense was a one trick pony, the hurry up offense for the whole game. It worked for a while, and then the rest of league figured out how to defense it. From then on, the Eagles were toast. Along the way Kelly ran Nick Foles out of town.
Finally fan and player discontent got Kelly fired, thank goodness. He had one miserable year at San Francisco and then exited the league.
I could go back to ancient history when Joe Kuharich took the team down a rabbit hole in the 1960s, but I will spare you.
This is why I say that Bill Belichick has been so important for the Patriots. He has won with and even without Brady. Does anyone remember the season when Brady was injured during the second game of the season? It was 2009 and they went 11-5 anyway. They didn’t make the play-offs, but that was fault of the sometimes ridiculous method of selecting teams for the post season.
Chip Kelly was a minor blip on the many years of failure for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Bill Belichick was & is very important to the success of the NE Patriots but he has won nothing without Tom Brady. Sure he had one 11-5 season without Brady where his team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. That 2008 Pats team finished with 5 less regular season wins from the previous year and went from scoring 36ppg in 2007 to 25ppg in 2008 without Brady.
And I keep mentioning this but you have to go to actual Patriots fans who have watched Brady & Belichick every week since the beginning to get a real opinion on who is more instrumental to their success since 2001 and this past week those Pats fans have made their pick of the two known.
This was a poll on twitter posted by the highest ranking sports talk radio show in NE that had 7,330 Pats fans voting for either Brady or Belichick:
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
Few women are.
Or that rich.
Rich and beautiful. Where do I sign-up?
You gotta be at least a three time SB winner, looks like Carson Wentz & Nick Foles will never have a shot
If they win three Super Bowls for the Eagles...hell, I'll marry them.
I mean i'm rich and beautiful. Okay, I fibbed, i'm not rich.
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
@galaxy27 said:
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
< 10, no question about it
Ewwww...Dimeman is going to get awfully mad at you for your post. You do not want to get Dimeman mad at ya. The consequences of that are quite severe. Twenty lashes with a bullwhip wouldn't feel as bad as the harsh rage from Dimeman.
@galaxy27 said:
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
< 10, no question about it
The Cowboys defense ranked:
8th in total D
11th in Pass D
8th in Rush D
13th in Points Allowed
"still going to be problematic" is a stretch. Try not to base your opinion of that defense all from Dime's psychotic rants like every play is life or death from his point of view
Witten will be tough to replace but they can replace Dez Bryant's production with literally anyone else.
Zeke Elliot missed over a 3rd of the season and that team,with all those problems,still managed 9 wins with a #1 seed schedule. They've already shown that riding Elliot like a mule over a full season was good enough to get a top seed in their conference.
erik, all i am going to say to you is this -- if you think the Dallas Cowboys are going to win 10 or more games this season, there is some serious value awaiting you at any sportsbook
@galaxy27 said:
erik, all i am going to say to you is this -- if you think the Dallas Cowboys are going to win 10 or more games this season, there is some serious value awaiting you at any sportsbook
we'll revisit this on Dec. 30
I'm not a gambler but we can definitely revisit this topic on that date.
Last season they had all of the Zeke drama hanging over that team including his 6 game suspension,Dak's second go around where teams had plenty of game film to work with from his previous season and they had a #1 seed schedule after going 13-3 the year before and still managed a winning record.
I can easily see,at least,a 10-6 record with this schedule. There is a ton of crap teams there. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys
Don't get me wrong here,I'm not saying they'll win the SB but 10 wins is very reachable.
for the record, my opinion of their defense -- and the entire team -- is based on watching every game they play. the eye test. and i don't say that in a braggadocious manner; i'm simply a Bears fan languishing in DC country. 10 wins is the line of demarcation when it comes to the playoffs, imho, and no part of me is able to envision Dallas as a playoff team this year.
right or wrong, i'll pop this thread on 12/30. part of me hopes i turn out to be way, way off base so that dimeman will drive all the way to massachusetts and try to french kiss you
@galaxy27 said:
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
< 10, no question about it
The Cowboys defense ranked:
8th in total D
11th in Pass D
8th in Rush D
13th in Points Allowed
"still going to be problematic" is a stretch. Try not to base your opinion of that defense all from Dime's psychotic rants like every play is life or death from his point of view
Witten will be tough to replace but they can replace Dez Bryant's production with literally anyone else.
Zeke Elliot missed over a 3rd of the season and that team,with all those problems,still managed 9 wins with a #1 seed schedule. They've already shown that riding Elliot like a mule over a full season was good enough to get a top seed in their conference.
Don't get me going eric! I know where you live! Actually I think the defense will improve this year, but who knows. So many things come into play that can affect the outcome of a season. I'm going to predict a 11-5 season and will revisit that after the first 4 games.
I went out and looked at the Cowboys and Pats complete history and the are amazingly close and they game into the NFL the same year so the playing field is even. I may do a thread on this in the future.
@galaxy27 said:
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
< 10, no question about it
The Cowboys defense ranked:
8th in total D
11th in Pass D
8th in Rush D
13th in Points Allowed
"still going to be problematic" is a stretch. Try not to base your opinion of that defense all from Dime's psychotic rants like every play is life or death from his point of view
Witten will be tough to replace but they can replace Dez Bryant's production with literally anyone else.
Zeke Elliot missed over a 3rd of the season and that team,with all those problems,still managed 9 wins with a #1 seed schedule. They've already shown that riding Elliot like a mule over a full season was good enough to get a top seed in their conference.
Don't get me going eric! I know where you live! Actually I think the defense will improve this year, but who knows. So many things come into play that can affect the outcome of a season. I'm going to predict a 11-5 season and will revisit that after the first 4 games.
I went out and looked at the Cowboys and Pats complete history and the are amazingly close and they game into the NFL the same year so the playing field is even. I may do a thread on this in the future.
I think if your QB & RB stay healthy its gonna show in their record. I've hated the Cowboys for years just because of a annoying relative of mine who was a Cowboys diehard fan in the 90's but I like Dak Prescott so I watch more of their games now.
@galaxy27 said:
erik, all i am going to say to you is this -- if you think the Dallas Cowboys are going to win 10 or more games this season, there is some serious value awaiting you at any sportsbook
we'll revisit this on Dec. 30
I'm not a gambler but we can definitely revisit this topic on that date.
Last season they had all of the Zeke drama hanging over that team including his 6 game suspension,Dak's second go around where teams had plenty of game film to work with from his previous season and they had a #1 seed schedule after going 13-3 the year before and still managed a winning record.
I can easily see,at least,a 10-6 record with this schedule. There is a ton of crap teams there. http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys
Don't get me wrong here,I'm not saying they'll win the SB but 10 wins is very reachable.
I don't gamble either. However I still enjoy analyzing the games, looking at the bookies odds, etc.
One thing we all know, bookies don't give away money. They are sharper than any of us will ever be. That being said, they've got the over/under for game win total this season for the Dallas Cowboys at 8.5 despite all those "positives" which you mentioned.
I'm not going to go into any further detail about this. Suffice to say that i agree with Galaxy.
@stevek said:
I'm not going to go into any further detail about this. Suffice to say that i agree with Galaxy.
Those same bookies weren't picking Philly to win the SB at this time last year so you never know. We'll return to this on 12-30 and see how it goes.
I could be wrong, i think the books had the o/u at 8 for the previous Eagles season. They of course went 13-3
Recall also that the books had the Eagles as dogs for both playoff games and the Super Bowl.
I just googled ESPN's 2017 preseason predictions to see where they had them. Mike Reiss nailed the Pats at 13-3. Here's Philly:
Philadelphia Eagles
Predicted record: 9-7
Carson Wentz, now with a full season under his belt and Alshon Jeffery by his side, should take strides forward in his development while further cementing himself as the team’s franchise quarterback. Holes on defense (particularly in the secondary) will keep them from conquering a playmaker-filled NFC East, however. With three West Coast trips on the docket (including a pair of games in Los Angeles), the Eagles will log a lot of miles. They’ll face the Panthers, Chiefs and Seahawks on the road, which is no easy task. -- Tim McManus http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/235535/2017-nfl-schedule-predicted-records-for-all-32-nfl-teams
@stevek said:
I'm not going to go into any further detail about this. Suffice to say that i agree with Galaxy.
Those same bookies weren't picking Philly to win the SB at this time last year so you never know. We'll return to this on 12-30 and see how it goes.
I could be wrong, i think the books had the o/u at 8 for the previous Eagles season. They of course went 13-3
Recall also that the books had the Eagles as dogs for both playoff games and the Super Bowl.
I think the reason they were dogs is because you lost your starting QB. Nobody including myself felt that Nick F. could pull off what he did.
That win of my Boys over your Eagles late in the season...…..was the highlight of the season for me. If we hadn't gotten raped by the comish on the Elliot thing it could have played out much differently.
The Cowboys are a completely different team with Elliott at RB. He takes a ton of pressure off the QB and opens up the field. I also think the absence of Bryant will help them. Prescott would often try to force the ball to Bryant who has had great difficulty creating separation the past couple of seasons. The key will be whether the OL can regain some semblance to the dominant force they displayed as a unit in 2016. If so, look for Dallas to control the ball on offense and use the clock to their advantage with an effective running game.
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@grote15 said:
The Cowboys are a completely different team with Elliott at RB. He takes a ton of pressure off the QB and opens up the field. I also think the absence of Bryant will help them. Prescott would often try to force the ball to Bryant who has had great difficulty creating separation the past couple of seasons. The key will be whether the OL can regain some semblance to the dominant force they displayed as a unit in 2016. If so, look for Dallas to control the ball on offense and use the clock to their advantage with an effective running game.
On the surface your analysis seems astute.
However the Cowboys won 9 games last season, and now they have Elliott back for a full season, and reports are that he appears focused and sharp. Yet the books lowered their win expectation this season to 8.5 games?
Granted, one win by the Cowboys last season was that meaningless game when the Eagles rested their starters. But still, the Cowboys might have won that game anyway.
Of course there can be other factors involved such as a strength of schedule difference, and any number of other factors for their 8.5 call. But the bottom line, in my opinion, is that it doesn't bode well for the Cowboys having any sort of great season as some of their fans may be expecting.
its why they play the games. Some teams mentioned to win 10 won’t win 8. A team or two NOT mentioned will probably win 10
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@Justacommeman said:
its why they place the games. Some teams mentioned to win 10 won’t win 8. A team or two NOT mentioned will probably win 10
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So true. How many games was Jacksonville supposed to win last season? The Rams?
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@Justacommeman said:
its why they place the games. Some teams mentioned to win 10 won’t win 8. A team or two NOT mentioned will probably win 10
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So true. How many games was Jacksonville supposed to win last season? The Rams?
The Saints as well
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@Justacommeman said:
its why they play the games. Some teams mentioned to win 10 won’t win 8. A team or two NOT mentioned will probably win 10
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That's right which is exactly why trying to beat the bookies is fool's folly.
Sadly, with sports betting now being legalized in a growing number of states, there's going to be a lot of folks out there going broke trying to do just that.
Steve I just googled "vegas odds for super bowl 2017 preseason" and this article came up with updated odds days before the season started. Just giving the standings a quick glance,the bookies used for this article were off on many of their projected win totals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2017/09/04/nfl-odds-2017-updated-win-totals-playoff-odds-and-super-bowl-lines-ahead-of-week-1/#115c443f1cc6
TEAM Projected Win Total Playoff Odds Super Bowl Odds
ARIZONA CARDINALS 8.5 +170 +3500 8
ATLANTA FALCONS 9.5 +125 +1000 10
BALTIMORE RAVENS 8.5 +115 +7500 9
BUFFALO BILLS 6.5 +500 +16000 9
CAROLINA PANTHERS 9 +110 +2800 11
CHICAGO BEARS 5.5 +800 +17500 5
CINCINNATI BENGALS 8.5 +165 +7500 7
CLEVELAND BROWNS 4.5 +1000 +24000 0
DALLAS COWBOYS 9.5 -105 +1400 9
DENVER BRONCOS 8.5 +175 +3700 5
DETROIT LIONS 7.5 +310 +6700 9
GREEN BAY PACKERS 10.5 -280 +950 7
HOUSTON TEXANS 8.5 +140 +2400 4
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 8 +210 +5700 4
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 6.5 +320 +9000 10
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 9 -145 +2300 10
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS 7.5 +230 +4800 9
LOS ANGELES RAMS 5.5 +700 +17000 11
MIAMI DOLPHINS 7.5 +400 +6500 6
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 8.5 +150 +3600 13
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 12.5 -1500 +300 13
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8 +250 +5500 11
NEW YORK GIANTS 9 -115 +2250 3
NEW YORK JETS 4 +1400 +35000 5
OAKLAND RAIDERS 9.5 -170 +1400 6
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 8.5 +165 +3500 13
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 10.5 -320 +825 13
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 4.5 +800 +25000 6
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 10.5 -425 +980 9
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 8.5 +175 +3800 5
TENNESSEE TITANS 8.5 +110 +3700 9
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 7.5 +260 +6700 7
@erikthredd said:
Steve I just googled "vegas odds for super bowl 2017 preseason" and this article came up with updated odds days before the season started. Just giving the standings a quick glance,the bookies used for this article were off on many of their projected win totals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2017/09/04/nfl-odds-2017-updated-win-totals-playoff-odds-and-super-bowl-lines-ahead-of-week-1/#115c443f1cc6
TEAM Projected Win Total Playoff Odds Super Bowl Odds
ARIZONA CARDINALS 8.5 +170 +3500
ATLANTA FALCONS 9.5 +125 +1000
BALTIMORE RAVENS 8.5 +115 +7500
BUFFALO BILLS 6.5 +500 +16000
CAROLINA PANTHERS 9 +110 +2800
CHICAGO BEARS 5.5 +800 +17500
CINCINNATI BENGALS 8.5 +165 +7500
CLEVELAND BROWNS 4.5 +1000 +24000
DALLAS COWBOYS 9.5 -105 +1400
DENVER BRONCOS 8.5 +175 +3700
DETROIT LIONS 7.5 +310 +6700
GREEN BAY PACKERS 10.5 -280 +950
HOUSTON TEXANS 8.5 +140 +2400
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 8 +210 +5700
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 6.5 +320 +9000
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 9 -145 +2300
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS 7.5 +230 +4800
LOS ANGELES RAMS 5.5 +700 +17000
MIAMI DOLPHINS 7.5 +400 +6500
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 8.5 +150 +3600
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 12.5 -1500 +300
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8 +250 +5500
NEW YORK GIANTS 9 -115 +2250
NEW YORK JETS 4 +1400 +35000
OAKLAND RAIDERS 9.5 -170 +1400
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 8.5 +165 +3500
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 10.5 -320 +825
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 4.5 +800 +25000
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 10.5 -425 +980
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 8.5 +175 +3800
TENNESSEE TITANS 8.5 +110 +3700
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 7.5 +260 +6700
As we all know, so much can change over the course of a season.
You likely understand that the bookies goal isn't to pick winners and losers, but in the long run get an equal amount of money bet on both sides so that they can simply grab the 10% juice on the losing bets.
That being said, they still have to come up with a reasonable line, and in my view offering 8.5 on the Cowboys is way too low considering the circumstances which I mentioned.
Does betting the under make it a good bet? Of course not. And betting the over isn't a good bet either. It's all fool's folly trying to figure it out successfully from a gambling viewpoint.
My viewpoint is just having fun with it all, to try and predict how the Cowboys may do this season.
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@erikthredd said:
Steve I just googled "vegas odds for super bowl 2017 preseason" and this article came up with updated odds days before the season started. Just giving the standings a quick glance,the bookies used for this article were off on many of their projected win totals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2017/09/04/nfl-odds-2017-updated-win-totals-playoff-odds-and-super-bowl-lines-ahead-of-week-1/#115c443f1cc6
TEAM Projected Win Total Playoff Odds Super Bowl Odds
ARIZONA CARDINALS 8.5 +170 +3500
ATLANTA FALCONS 9.5 +125 +1000
BALTIMORE RAVENS 8.5 +115 +7500
BUFFALO BILLS 6.5 +500 +16000
CAROLINA PANTHERS 9 +110 +2800
CHICAGO BEARS 5.5 +800 +17500
CINCINNATI BENGALS 8.5 +165 +7500
CLEVELAND BROWNS 4.5 +1000 +24000
DALLAS COWBOYS 9.5 -105 +1400
DENVER BRONCOS 8.5 +175 +3700
DETROIT LIONS 7.5 +310 +6700
GREEN BAY PACKERS 10.5 -280 +950
HOUSTON TEXANS 8.5 +140 +2400
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 8 +210 +5700
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 6.5 +320 +9000
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 9 -145 +2300
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS 7.5 +230 +4800
LOS ANGELES RAMS 5.5 +700 +17000
MIAMI DOLPHINS 7.5 +400 +6500
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 8.5 +150 +3600
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 12.5 -1500 +300
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8 +250 +5500
NEW YORK GIANTS 9 -115 +2250
NEW YORK JETS 4 +1400 +35000
OAKLAND RAIDERS 9.5 -170 +1400
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 8.5 +165 +3500
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 10.5 -320 +825
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 4.5 +800 +25000
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 10.5 -425 +980
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 8.5 +175 +3800
TENNESSEE TITANS 8.5 +110 +3700
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 7.5 +260 +6700
As we all know, so much can change over the course of a season.
You likely understand that the bookies goal isn't to pick winners and losers, but in the long run get an equal amount of money bet on both sides so that they can simply grab the 10% juice on the losing bets.
That being said, they still have to come up with a reasonable line, and in my view offering 8.5 on the Cowboys is way too low considering the circumstances which I mentioned.
Does betting the under make it a good bet? Of course not. And betting the over isn't a good bet either. It's all fool's folly trying to figure it out successfully from a gambling viewpoint.
My viewpoint is just having fun with it all, to try and predict how the Cowboys may do this season.
I agree for the most part,i just posted that to see how close "the bookies" came to their actual predictions and I wouldn't argue your view on them as a whole. I already made my Cowboys predictions known so we'll see how that goes eventually.
@erikthredd said:
Steve I just googled "vegas odds for super bowl 2017 preseason" and this article came up with updated odds days before the season started. Just giving the standings a quick glance,the bookies used for this article were off on many of their projected win totals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2017/09/04/nfl-odds-2017-updated-win-totals-playoff-odds-and-super-bowl-lines-ahead-of-week-1/#115c443f1cc6
TEAM Projected Win Total Playoff Odds Super Bowl Odds
ARIZONA CARDINALS 8.5 +170 +3500
ATLANTA FALCONS 9.5 +125 +1000
BALTIMORE RAVENS 8.5 +115 +7500
BUFFALO BILLS 6.5 +500 +16000
CAROLINA PANTHERS 9 +110 +2800
CHICAGO BEARS 5.5 +800 +17500
CINCINNATI BENGALS 8.5 +165 +7500
CLEVELAND BROWNS 4.5 +1000 +24000
DALLAS COWBOYS 9.5 -105 +1400
DENVER BRONCOS 8.5 +175 +3700
DETROIT LIONS 7.5 +310 +6700
GREEN BAY PACKERS 10.5 -280 +950
HOUSTON TEXANS 8.5 +140 +2400
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 8 +210 +5700
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 6.5 +320 +9000
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 9 -145 +2300
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS 7.5 +230 +4800
LOS ANGELES RAMS 5.5 +700 +17000
MIAMI DOLPHINS 7.5 +400 +6500
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 8.5 +150 +3600
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 12.5 -1500 +300
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8 +250 +5500
NEW YORK GIANTS 9 -115 +2250
NEW YORK JETS 4 +1400 +35000
OAKLAND RAIDERS 9.5 -170 +1400
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 8.5 +165 +3500
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 10.5 -320 +825
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 4.5 +800 +25000
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 10.5 -425 +980
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 8.5 +175 +3800
TENNESSEE TITANS 8.5 +110 +3700
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 7.5 +260 +6700
As we all know, so much can change over the course of a season.
You likely understand that the bookies goal isn't to pick winners and losers, but in the long run get an equal amount of money bet on both sides so that they can simply grab the 10% juice on the losing bets.
That being said, they still have to come up with a reasonable line, and in my view offering 8.5 on the Cowboys is way too low considering the circumstances which I mentioned.
Does betting the under make it a good bet? Of course not. And betting the over isn't a good bet either. It's all fool's folly trying to figure it out successfully from a gambling viewpoint.
My viewpoint is just having fun with it all, to try and predict how the Cowboys may do this season.
I agree for the most part,i just posted that to see how close "the bookies" came to their actual predictions and I wouldn't argue your view on them as a whole. I already made my Cowboys predictions known so we'll see how that goes eventually.
I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
@stevek said:
I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
Well you did predict the Eagles going 2-14 earlier with the stevek stone cold lock so I'll gladly be way off on my Cowboys prediction to officially end the Doug Pederson is the bestiest bestest best coach in the universe claims lol.
@stevek said:
I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
Well you did predict the Eagles going 2-14 earlier with the stevek stone cold lock so I'll gladly be way off on my Cowboys prediction to officially end the Doug Pederson is the bestiest bestest best coach in the universe claims lol.
And not just this universe...all the other universes out there. LOL
@stevek said:
I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
Well you did predict the Eagles going 2-14 earlier with the stevek stone cold lock so I'll gladly be way off on my Cowboys prediction to officially end the Doug Pederson is the bestiest bestest best coach in the universe claims lol.
And not just this universe...all the other universes out there. LOL
too late,his run is over. the bookies heard your prediction and updated their board....
@stevek said:
I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
Well you did predict the Eagles going 2-14 earlier with the stevek stone cold lock so I'll gladly be way off on my Cowboys prediction to officially end the Doug Pederson is the bestiest bestest best coach in the universe claims lol.
And not just this universe...all the other universes out there. LOL
too late,his run is over. the bookies heard your prediction and updated their board....
That's being just plain mean Eric, and if you're not very careful, i will put a curve on the Patriots this season, and i'm not bluffing. I've got a Patriots voodoo pin cushion doll waiting to have multiple pins stuck in it if necessary. Don't make me do it!
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Again the Eagles will NOT make the playoffs this season in my opinion
We know all to well about your fellow Eagles fans,a simple Google search is a great reminder and since you don't like going to far into the past,just go back to their last game in Philly against the Vikings to see what real Eagles fans are like.
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It seems like a blip unless you were living though that season and half. Every week it was the same thing. The defense would play heroically and keep the Eagles in the game until they were worn down to nothing because they had to be on the field all the time. In the meantime, “The Chipster’s” offense would have one three and out after another taking about 40 seconds off the clock each time. The fans booed, as they had a perfect right to do, while "The Chipster" stood there with an arrogant look on his face.
What is the definition of insanity or foolishness? Calling the same offense strategy over and over again and thinking that you were going to get a different result.
Steve.....first the past counts and second you are putting waaaaaaaay to much on this 1 SB win and coach. You need to come down to earth. Not too many teams have won back to back SB's. The Cowboy's are one of them!
Who says your poll of fans is right?
There are those who say that Vince Lombardi was the greatest coach of all time. You don't hear anybody saying that Bart Starr was the one who was responible for getting him there. It's a team effort, and you have to put the right pieces together and coach them so that they work.
True but you do notice the key phrase there,right? How long have the Eagles been in the NFL?
I'm also surprised Steve isn't throwing this one out there as well
Chip Kelly 1
Bill Belichick 0
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Yea, in another century - I forgot if it was the 20th or 19th century. Was Texas a state yet? LOL
Yes it a team effort and i've already stated in this very thread to you how important Bill Belichick has been to their success but it wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons. It wasn't Bill Belichick bringing his offense back from a 10point deficit vs the Seahawks.
Go back to every single SB Brady & Belichick have been in and it was Tom Brady's arm that either put his team the ahead late in the game in every single SB,including the losses, or put the team in position for his kicker to do his job...not Bill Belichick.
Hell Brady almost bailed Belichick out yet again in this past SB after Bill's dumbass decision to not play Malcolm Butler who just happened to be their best active player on defense going into that game.
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28-3
Maybe if Brady would have performed a bit better sooner in the game, the Patriots wouldn't have had to rally so much.
Heck, Gisele could have scored a lousy 3 points, not even wearing a helmet or shoulder pads.
She said the same about Donovan McNabb
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I think that Jeff Lurie thought that with Chip Kelly, he was getting a Dick Vermeil.
For a time, it seemed like it could work. However for reasons you say, plus the hard fact is that Chip Kelly could not seem to grasp effectively evaluating NFL talent.
Yea, but i doubt if McNabb's wife is that beautiful.
Few women are.
Or that rich.
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Rich and beautiful. Where do I sign-up?
You gotta be at least a three time SB winner, looks like Carson Wentz & Nick Foles will never have a shot
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If they win three Super Bowls for the Eagles...hell, I'll marry them.
I mean i'm rich and beautiful. Okay, I fibbed, i'm not rich.
there is going to be a fair amount of lamenting from dimeman this season. the boys' D is still going to be problematic at best, and their receiving corps is going to strike fear in absolutely no one. hope Zeke is well rested, cuz they are going to ride him like a rented mule.
< 10, no question about it
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
Ewwww...Dimeman is going to get awfully mad at you for your post. You do not want to get Dimeman mad at ya. The consequences of that are quite severe. Twenty lashes with a bullwhip wouldn't feel as bad as the harsh rage from Dimeman.
BTW: I agree with ya!
The Cowboys defense ranked:
8th in total D
11th in Pass D
8th in Rush D
13th in Points Allowed
"still going to be problematic" is a stretch. Try not to base your opinion of that defense all from Dime's psychotic rants like every play is life or death from his point of view
Witten will be tough to replace but they can replace Dez Bryant's production with literally anyone else.
Zeke Elliot missed over a 3rd of the season and that team,with all those problems,still managed 9 wins with a #1 seed schedule. They've already shown that riding Elliot like a mule over a full season was good enough to get a top seed in their conference.
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erik, all i am going to say to you is this -- if you think the Dallas Cowboys are going to win 10 or more games this season, there is some serious value awaiting you at any sportsbook
we'll revisit this on Dec. 30
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I'm not a gambler but we can definitely revisit this topic on that date.
Last season they had all of the Zeke drama hanging over that team including his 6 game suspension,Dak's second go around where teams had plenty of game film to work with from his previous season and they had a #1 seed schedule after going 13-3 the year before and still managed a winning record.
I can easily see,at least,a 10-6 record with this schedule. There is a ton of crap teams there.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/schedule/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys
Don't get me wrong here,I'm not saying they'll win the SB but 10 wins is very reachable.
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Since Elliot went to Dallas, they're 19-7 when he's played and 3-3 when he hasn't.
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for the record, my opinion of their defense -- and the entire team -- is based on watching every game they play. the eye test. and i don't say that in a braggadocious manner; i'm simply a Bears fan languishing in DC country. 10 wins is the line of demarcation when it comes to the playoffs, imho, and no part of me is able to envision Dallas as a playoff team this year.
right or wrong, i'll pop this thread on 12/30. part of me hopes i turn out to be way, way off base so that dimeman will drive all the way to massachusetts and try to french kiss you
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
I'll give him my neighbor's address then film the big moment when he gets here
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Don't get me going eric! I know where you live!
Actually I think the defense will improve this year, but who knows. So many things come into play that can affect the outcome of a season. I'm going to predict a 11-5 season and will revisit that after the first 4 games.
I went out and looked at the Cowboys and Pats complete history and the are amazingly close and they game into the NFL the same year so the playing field is even. I may do a thread on this in the future.
I think if your QB & RB stay healthy its gonna show in their record. I've hated the Cowboys for years just because of a annoying relative of mine who was a Cowboys diehard fan in the 90's but I like Dak Prescott so I watch more of their games now.
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If the Eagles go 2-14, but those two wins are against the Dallas Cowboys, then I'd still consider it to be a successful season.
I don't gamble either. However I still enjoy analyzing the games, looking at the bookies odds, etc.
One thing we all know, bookies don't give away money. They are sharper than any of us will ever be. That being said, they've got the over/under for game win total this season for the Dallas Cowboys at 8.5 despite all those "positives" which you mentioned.
I'm not going to go into any further detail about this. Suffice to say that i agree with Galaxy.
Those same bookies weren't picking Philly to win the SB at this time last year so you never know. We'll return to this on 12-30 and see how it goes.
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I could be wrong, i think the books had the o/u at 8 for the previous Eagles season. They of course went 13-3
Recall also that the books had the Eagles as dogs for both playoff games and the Super Bowl.
I just googled ESPN's 2017 preseason predictions to see where they had them. Mike Reiss nailed the Pats at 13-3. Here's Philly:
Philadelphia Eagles
Predicted record: 9-7
Carson Wentz, now with a full season under his belt and Alshon Jeffery by his side, should take strides forward in his development while further cementing himself as the team’s franchise quarterback. Holes on defense (particularly in the secondary) will keep them from conquering a playmaker-filled NFC East, however. With three West Coast trips on the docket (including a pair of games in Los Angeles), the Eagles will log a lot of miles. They’ll face the Panthers, Chiefs and Seahawks on the road, which is no easy task. -- Tim McManus
http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/235535/2017-nfl-schedule-predicted-records-for-all-32-nfl-teams
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I think the reason they were dogs is because you lost your starting QB. Nobody including myself felt that Nick F. could pull off what he did.
That win of my Boys over your Eagles late in the season...…..was the highlight of the season for me.
If we hadn't gotten raped by the comish on the Elliot thing it could have played out much differently. 
btw if anyone predicts the Bears will win 10 or more and they do, i'm coming to your house to french kiss you
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The Cowboys are a completely different team with Elliott at RB. He takes a ton of pressure off the QB and opens up the field. I also think the absence of Bryant will help them. Prescott would often try to force the ball to Bryant who has had great difficulty creating separation the past couple of seasons. The key will be whether the OL can regain some semblance to the dominant force they displayed as a unit in 2016. If so, look for Dallas to control the ball on offense and use the clock to their advantage with an effective running game.
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On the surface your analysis seems astute.
However the Cowboys won 9 games last season, and now they have Elliott back for a full season, and reports are that he appears focused and sharp. Yet the books lowered their win expectation this season to 8.5 games?
Granted, one win by the Cowboys last season was that meaningless game when the Eagles rested their starters. But still, the Cowboys might have won that game anyway.
Of course there can be other factors involved such as a strength of schedule difference, and any number of other factors for their 8.5 call. But the bottom line, in my opinion, is that it doesn't bode well for the Cowboys having any sort of great season as some of their fans may be expecting.
its why they play the games. Some teams mentioned to win 10 won’t win 8. A team or two NOT mentioned will probably win 10
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
So true. How many games was Jacksonville supposed to win last season? The Rams?
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The Saints as well
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Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
That's right which is exactly why trying to beat the bookies is fool's folly.
Sadly, with sports betting now being legalized in a growing number of states, there's going to be a lot of folks out there going broke trying to do just that.
Steve I just googled "vegas odds for super bowl 2017 preseason" and this article came up with updated odds days before the season started. Just giving the standings a quick glance,the bookies used for this article were off on many of their projected win totals.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexkay/2017/09/04/nfl-odds-2017-updated-win-totals-playoff-odds-and-super-bowl-lines-ahead-of-week-1/#115c443f1cc6
TEAM Projected Win Total Playoff Odds Super Bowl Odds
ARIZONA CARDINALS 8.5 +170 +3500 8
ATLANTA FALCONS 9.5 +125 +1000 10
BALTIMORE RAVENS 8.5 +115 +7500 9
BUFFALO BILLS 6.5 +500 +16000 9
CAROLINA PANTHERS 9 +110 +2800 11
CHICAGO BEARS 5.5 +800 +17500 5
CINCINNATI BENGALS 8.5 +165 +7500 7
CLEVELAND BROWNS 4.5 +1000 +24000 0
DALLAS COWBOYS 9.5 -105 +1400 9
DENVER BRONCOS 8.5 +175 +3700 5
DETROIT LIONS 7.5 +310 +6700 9
GREEN BAY PACKERS 10.5 -280 +950 7
HOUSTON TEXANS 8.5 +140 +2400 4
INDIANAPOLIS COLTS 8 +210 +5700 4
JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS 6.5 +320 +9000 10
KANSAS CITY CHIEFS 9 -145 +2300 10
LOS ANGELES CHARGERS 7.5 +230 +4800 9
LOS ANGELES RAMS 5.5 +700 +17000 11
MIAMI DOLPHINS 7.5 +400 +6500 6
MINNESOTA VIKINGS 8.5 +150 +3600 13
NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS 12.5 -1500 +300 13
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS 8 +250 +5500 11
NEW YORK GIANTS 9 -115 +2250 3
NEW YORK JETS 4 +1400 +35000 5
OAKLAND RAIDERS 9.5 -170 +1400 6
PHILADELPHIA EAGLES 8.5 +165 +3500 13
PITTSBURGH STEELERS 10.5 -320 +825 13
SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS 4.5 +800 +25000 6
SEATTLE SEAHAWKS 10.5 -425 +980 9
TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS 8.5 +175 +3800 5
TENNESSEE TITANS 8.5 +110 +3700 9
WASHINGTON REDSKINS 7.5 +260 +6700 7
I put each team's actual win total in bold
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17 of the 32 teams finished with higher wins totals than the projected number in this case.
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As we all know, so much can change over the course of a season.
You likely understand that the bookies goal isn't to pick winners and losers, but in the long run get an equal amount of money bet on both sides so that they can simply grab the 10% juice on the losing bets.
That being said, they still have to come up with a reasonable line, and in my view offering 8.5 on the Cowboys is way too low considering the circumstances which I mentioned.
Does betting the under make it a good bet? Of course not. And betting the over isn't a good bet either. It's all fool's folly trying to figure it out successfully from a gambling viewpoint.
My viewpoint is just having fun with it all, to try and predict how the Cowboys may do this season.
2018 Projected wins
Patriots 11
Eagles 10.5
Steelers 10.5
Packers 10
Vikings 10
Saints 9.5
Rams 9.5
Falcons 9
Panthers 9
Jaguars 9
Chargers 9
49ers 9
Cowboys 8.5
Texans 8.5
Chiefs 8.5
Ravens 8
Lions 8
Raiders 8
Seahawks 8
Titans 8
Bengals 7
Broncos 7
Redskins 7
Bills 6.5
Colts 6.5
Bears 6.5
Giants 6.5
Buccaneers 6.5
Dolphins 6
Jets 6
Cardinals 5.5
Browns
Fellas, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pockets you better use them to call a tailor. Stay thirsty my friends......
And of course last season's results have absolutely nothing to do with trying to successfully bet on this season's results.
Just like if you're flipping coins and ten straight heads come up, the odds of the next coin flip being heads or tails is still 50/50.
I agree for the most part,i just posted that to see how close "the bookies" came to their actual predictions and I wouldn't argue your view on them as a whole. I already made my Cowboys predictions known so we'll see how that goes eventually.
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I'm predicting the Cowboys go 0-17 this season.
And i realize how tough that is to do in a 16 game season.
Well you did predict the Eagles going 2-14 earlier with the stevek stone cold lock so I'll gladly be way off on my Cowboys prediction to officially end the Doug Pederson is the bestiest bestest best coach in the universe claims lol.
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And not just this universe...all the other universes out there. LOL
too late,his run is over. the bookies heard your prediction and updated their board....
2018 Projected wins
Patriots 11
Steelers 10.5
Packers 10
Vikings 10
Saints 9.5
Rams 9.5
Falcons 9
Panthers 9
Jaguars 9
Chargers 9
49ers 9
Cowboys 8.5
Texans 8.5
Chiefs 8.5
Ravens 8
Lions 8
Raiders 8
Seahawks 8
Titans 8
Bengals 7
Broncos 7
Redskins 7
Bills 6.5
Colts 6.5
Bears 6.5
Giants 6.5
Buccaneers 6.5
Dolphins 6
Jets 6
Cardinals 5.5
Eagles 2
Browns
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That's being just plain mean Eric, and if you're not very careful, i will put a curve on the Patriots this season, and i'm not bluffing. I've got a Patriots voodoo pin cushion doll waiting to have multiple pins stuck in it if necessary. Don't make me do it!