Here is another really nice piece that I just added to my collection. It is a 6” x 10” 48 Star United States Parade Flag. The logo for the 75th reunion of the Battle of Gettysburg has been overprinted on this flag. Of particular note is that this overprinting places a Confederate Flag on a United States Flag !!
Hi, are you folks stil out there? I hope that everyone is staying safe during the pandemic.
I just recently added a very cool piece to my collection. It is the stamping die used to make the drop on the Veteran’s medals from the 75th reunion of the Battle of Gettysburg.
Please let me know what your thoughts are ?
I've been watching that one for a long, long time. Since it was listed on the Horse Soldier until it appeared on eBay at substantially higher price.
I did think of you and your amazing collection. Really belongs there. Congrats to you for acquiring it! I think it is an amazing piece of history and probably worth the asking price.
FYI- one of the Veteran 75th reunion medals just sold at Stacks for $1200
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Thanks for the kind words DCW ! I visited the Horse Soldier on the very first day that this piece was available and I was unable to make a deal with Wes. However, upon further review, I was able to make a deal yesterday that I think was very fair.
Certainly one of the cornerstones of my 75th Reunion collection. The reason that I let it sit for so long without making a deal is that I struggled with the fact that this piece was not at the reunion, it wasn’t owned by a veteran . It is kind of a “behind the scenes” piece. However, it does show how the veteran medal was made and (presumably) there is only one of them in the world.
Well I just received the die in the mail and we have a conundrum …..the die measures 1 & 7/8” But the drop on the medal only measures 1 & 1/2”. I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing……any help will be greatly appreciated. See pictures below.
The piece you have there appears not to be a stamping die for medals, but rather an embossing die for paper or cardboard. A die for medals would likely be some form of steel and would have a much larger base. Your piece is brass (or similar), and has a very thin base, which is typical of an embossing die.
You may want to look through documents related to the event, possibly something that would have a gold seal on it, like an award document/diploma or certificate.
Oh, man. That is unusual, and now I fear that it may be as the other member said- a die used for an embossing press.
I'm tagging @dcarr to this thread. He is a private minter and may confirm our suspicions.
Still an awesome piece from the event, regardless if it is a medal die, in my opinion.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
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Thanks to GoldenEgg & DCW for all of your help. I now believe that I know what this piece is. As to the post by CopperWire I think that you are in the wrong place. We are talking about a reunion that was proudly attended by both the Blue and the Gray.
Hi All, interestingly at the coin show today in Harrisburg there was a die that was used for stamping medals on display on the front lobby. It is the die that was used for the reverse of the drop from the reunion of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry that took place in 1907. The die is over two inches thick and is made of solid steel and looks very different from the one that I purchased. See pictures below.
Also, in addition to the piece that I purchased not being a medal die it also really isn’t even an embossing die. Upon further review I believe that an embossing die would also need a second piece that is a reverse of the piece that I had. Something would have to push the cardboard into the recesses….at any rate I am returning this piece for a full refund.
I still believe it is half of an embossing press die. There would be another piece incused to push the paper into the recesses.
I would still keep it for your 75th anniversary collection. But given the $$$ you probably paid, there is obviously a limit to what we can obtain and hold.
Sorry it didn't work out the way you hoped. It remains pretty cool to my eyes!
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Here is an example of an embossing press:
Can you see the similarities between your die and the thick brass dies of this figural press? They're used to stamp addresses and such onto paper.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
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I have many items associated with the event as my great great great grandfather was one of the veterans who attended.
I will look through all the papers later to see if any of them have this embossing.
I have the invitation letter from the government. Perhaps it is on that.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
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I have checked many documents that I own including the invitation letter but to no avail.
I would have kept this piece but the seller wasn’t interested in discounting the price even though it was sold as a stamping die and it’s actually half of an embossing die….oh well.
Understanding that this is actually half of an embossing die (it’s missing the other piece and the mechanism to execute the seal), @DCW how much is it worth in your opinion ?
@Gettysburgcollector said:
Understanding that this is actually half of an embossing die (it’s missing the other piece and the mechanism to execute the seal), @DCW how much is it worth in your opinion ?
I couldnt accurately give you an appraisal. I know the Horse Soldier was selling it as a die from the veteran's medal and it was priced around 1200. The guy on ebay who bought it wanted twice that price.
I think it is an awesome momento of the event. But I think, all things considered, it would be worth around 500 to me.
I was kind of hoping that it was stamped into the seal of the FDR document on the OP.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Well, I just added another piece to my collection. This is a license plate. I remember seeing one years ago but I didn’t purchase it. I’m told that a few “unofficial” license plates were produced and placed on the phaetons that were used to carry the veterans in the parade through town. See picture below.
I just added some interesting ephemera to my collection. See the attached correspondence concerning the 75th anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg commemorative half dollar.
I know that technically I’m posting this in the wrong forum but since it is related to the Civil War and and I do value feedback from you folks that are in on this post, I thought that would list the most recent addition to my collection.
It is a Scott Restrike with the Token / Store Card reverse. It is in really nice condition and I thought that it was too nice for me to pass up. See pictures below.
I just added another piece to my collection. This is an “Official Pass” to the 75th Anniversary Camp Headquarters, Gettysburg Penna. It is signed by the Provost Marshall of the Camp, Major Charles Middleton. It’s the only one that I have ever seen
@Gettysburgcollector
That's a great addition! I would get a larger holder for that baby, though. It is bound to get some edge damage with that 1/4 inch that is hanging out of the holder.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
This piece is from the 50th Reunion not the 75th but since there are several people on this post that love Gettysburg history I thought that I would share a picture of my latest acquisition. Disclaimer: That is a REPRODUCTION Medal of Honor you’re looking at !
This piece is not necessarily from a Gettysburg reunion however, it is a rare token from the Gettysburg Electric Railway. I recently submitted it to NGC and it came back MS-62.
See link below for further information about this token. https://www.novanumismatics.com/the-gettysburg-electric-railway-its-token/
There might still be a photo vision taken. If you ask customer service, they may be able to forward it to you.
I dont know why, but NGC doesn't attach their pro photos to the cert like PCGS. Usually just a blurry cell phone shot which doesn't help.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
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@Gettysburg said:
Who was your relative at the reunion?
My relative was there, great-great-great grandfather B. Frank Herbert, NJ 34th Infantry, Bravo Company.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Another interesting find is this very small booklet that I own and you can clearly see a sketch of one of the Electric Railway Trolley Cars in front of the Central hotel.
@Gettysburg said:
Who was your relative at the reunion?
My relative was there, great-great-great grandfather B. Frank Herbert, NJ 34th Infantry, Bravo Company.
Do you have a connection to this event also?
Very cool! Did he have a dog tag?
None that I know of. Man, that would be some memento! I imagine putting it in a shadowbox with my grandfather's WWII tags, the ones my father wore in Vietnam, and mine from Iraq.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@Gettysburg said:
Who was your relative at the reunion?
My relative was there, great-great-great grandfather B. Frank Herbert, NJ 34th Infantry, Bravo Company.
Do you have a connection to this event also?
Very cool! Did he have a dog tag?
None that I know of. Man, that would be some memento! I imagine putting it in a shadowbox with my grandfather's WWII tags, the ones my father wore in Vietnam, and mine from Iraq.
That would be awesome. It's amazing when services passes through generations in a family.
To try and capture the feel, you can always get some made after the fact. There are services that do this, like the one here:
Hello,
I know this is going away from the topic…..but are you guys knowledgeable about Indian Peace Medals ? I just picked up a nice one and I’m always looking for information.
@Gettysburgcollector said:
Hi All, interestingly at the coin show today in Harrisburg there was a die that was used for stamping medals on display on the front lobby. It is the die that was used for the reverse of the drop from the reunion of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry that took place in 1907. The die is over two inches thick and is made of solid steel and looks very different from the one that I purchased. See pictures below.
Also, in addition to the piece that I purchased not being a medal die it also really isn’t even an embossing die. Upon further review I believe that an embossing die would also need a second piece that is a reverse of the piece that I had. Something would have to push the cardboard into the recesses….at any rate I am returning this piece for a full refund.
I used that die in 2016 as an alternate reverse for a very small number of strikes for the Colorado Springs Numismatic Society. See those with footnote "10" (first section on this page): moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_medals_club_B.htm
Holy moly @Gettysburgcollector that is one beautiful, tough Sutler token! I was watching that one. Oddly enough, there was another 119th United States Colored Infantry Regiment token in similar grade for sale at Stacks just a couple weeks prior. They are very rare, as you probably know, so the timing was unusual.
Congrats on the beautiful pickup. Please post that in the military tokens thread. We could use some activity over there: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/978930/military-tokens-thread/p4#latest
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
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I just added another piece to my collection. It’s not an expensive piece but I like it because it is slabbed. See below.
Here is another really nice piece that I just added to my collection. It is a 6” x 10” 48 Star United States Parade Flag. The logo for the 75th reunion of the Battle of Gettysburg has been overprinted on this flag. Of particular note is that this overprinting places a Confederate Flag on a United States Flag !!
Hi, are you folks stil out there? I hope that everyone is staying safe during the pandemic.
I just recently added a very cool piece to my collection. It is the stamping die used to make the drop on the Veteran’s medals from the 75th reunion of the Battle of Gettysburg.
Please let me know what your thoughts are ?
My thoughts? Extremely cool. would be fun to seal letters with wax and that as a seal.
I've been watching that one for a long, long time. Since it was listed on the Horse Soldier until it appeared on eBay at substantially higher price.
I did think of you and your amazing collection. Really belongs there. Congrats to you for acquiring it! I think it is an amazing piece of history and probably worth the asking price.
FYI- one of the Veteran 75th reunion medals just sold at Stacks for $1200
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Thanks for the kind words DCW ! I visited the Horse Soldier on the very first day that this piece was available and I was unable to make a deal with Wes. However, upon further review, I was able to make a deal yesterday that I think was very fair.
@Gettysburgcollector
I'm glad you did. It very much belongs with you. Cornerstone of your 75th anniversary collection?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Certainly one of the cornerstones of my 75th Reunion collection. The reason that I let it sit for so long without making a deal is that I struggled with the fact that this piece was not at the reunion, it wasn’t owned by a veteran . It is kind of a “behind the scenes” piece. However, it does show how the veteran medal was made and (presumably) there is only one of them in the world.
"You have a most impressive collection"
He sure does.
Well I just received the die in the mail and we have a conundrum …..the die measures 1 & 7/8” But the drop on the medal only measures 1 & 1/2”. I don’t know if this is a good thing or a bad thing……any help will be greatly appreciated. See pictures below.
The piece you have there appears not to be a stamping die for medals, but rather an embossing die for paper or cardboard. A die for medals would likely be some form of steel and would have a much larger base. Your piece is brass (or similar), and has a very thin base, which is typical of an embossing die.
You may want to look through documents related to the event, possibly something that would have a gold seal on it, like an award document/diploma or certificate.
Oh, man. That is unusual, and now I fear that it may be as the other member said- a die used for an embossing press.
I'm tagging @dcarr to this thread. He is a private minter and may confirm our suspicions.
Still an awesome piece from the event, regardless if it is a medal die, in my opinion.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Thanks to GoldenEgg & DCW for all of your help. I now believe that I know what this piece is. As to the post by CopperWire I think that you are in the wrong place. We are talking about a reunion that was proudly attended by both the Blue and the Gray.
I’m still hopeful that we hear from @dcarr to put this thing to bed once and for all.
Hi All, interestingly at the coin show today in Harrisburg there was a die that was used for stamping medals on display on the front lobby. It is the die that was used for the reverse of the drop from the reunion of the 15th Pennsylvania Cavalry that took place in 1907. The die is over two inches thick and is made of solid steel and looks very different from the one that I purchased. See pictures below.
Also, in addition to the piece that I purchased not being a medal die it also really isn’t even an embossing die. Upon further review I believe that an embossing die would also need a second piece that is a reverse of the piece that I had. Something would have to push the cardboard into the recesses….at any rate I am returning this piece for a full refund.
I still believe it is half of an embossing press die. There would be another piece incused to push the paper into the recesses.
I would still keep it for your 75th anniversary collection. But given the $$$ you probably paid, there is obviously a limit to what we can obtain and hold.
Sorry it didn't work out the way you hoped. It remains pretty cool to my eyes!
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Here is an example of an embossing press:
Can you see the similarities between your die and the thick brass dies of this figural press? They're used to stamp addresses and such onto paper.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I have many items associated with the event as my great great great grandfather was one of the veterans who attended.
I will look through all the papers later to see if any of them have this embossing.
I have the invitation letter from the government. Perhaps it is on that.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I have checked many documents that I own including the invitation letter but to no avail.
I would have kept this piece but the seller wasn’t interested in discounting the price even though it was sold as a stamping die and it’s actually half of an embossing die….oh well.
Understanding that this is actually half of an embossing die (it’s missing the other piece and the mechanism to execute the seal), @DCW how much is it worth in your opinion ?
I couldnt accurately give you an appraisal. I know the Horse Soldier was selling it as a die from the veteran's medal and it was priced around 1200. The guy on ebay who bought it wanted twice that price.
I think it is an awesome momento of the event. But I think, all things considered, it would be worth around 500 to me.
I was kind of hoping that it was stamped into the seal of the FDR document on the OP.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Well, I just added another piece to my collection. This is a license plate. I remember seeing one years ago but I didn’t purchase it. I’m told that a few “unofficial” license plates were produced and placed on the phaetons that were used to carry the veterans in the parade through town. See picture below.
Nice addition, and I'm liking the updates very much. One of the veterans medals recently sold at Stacks for $1200.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I just added some interesting ephemera to my collection. See the attached correspondence concerning the 75th anniversary of the battle of Gettysburg commemorative half dollar.
I know that technically I’m posting this in the wrong forum but since it is related to the Civil War and and I do value feedback from you folks that are in on this post, I thought that would list the most recent addition to my collection.
It is a Scott Restrike with the Token / Store Card reverse. It is in really nice condition and I thought that it was too nice for me to pass up. See pictures below.
Who cares which forum, keep 'em coming.
BHNC #203
Love that stuff, very historically significant. Good job.
Lost out on this piece:
I just added another piece to my collection. This is an “Official Pass” to the 75th Anniversary Camp Headquarters, Gettysburg Penna. It is signed by the Provost Marshall of the Camp, Major Charles Middleton. It’s the only one that I have ever seen
@Gettysburgcollector
That's a great addition! I would get a larger holder for that baby, though. It is bound to get some edge damage with that 1/4 inch that is hanging out of the holder.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@DCW
Yes, I do have a larger holder for it. I haven’t received it in the mail yet. That is the sellers picture. Thanks
This piece is from the 50th Reunion not the 75th but since there are several people on this post that love Gettysburg history I thought that I would share a picture of my latest acquisition. Disclaimer: That is a REPRODUCTION Medal of Honor you’re looking at !
This piece is not necessarily from a Gettysburg reunion however, it is a rare token from the Gettysburg Electric Railway. I recently submitted it to NGC and it came back MS-62.
See link below for further information about this token.
https://www.novanumismatics.com/the-gettysburg-electric-railway-its-token/
Who was your relative at the reunion?
Great token! Thanks for posting it
Did you happen to get a PhotoVision for it?
I didn’t have a relative at the reunion
No I didn’t get a photovision for it. Just the photo that I attached.
There might still be a photo vision taken. If you ask customer service, they may be able to forward it to you.
I dont know why, but NGC doesn't attach their pro photos to the cert like PCGS. Usually just a blurry cell phone shot which doesn't help.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
My relative was there, great-great-great grandfather B. Frank Herbert, NJ 34th Infantry, Bravo Company.
Do you have a connection to this event also?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Another interesting find is this very small booklet that I own and you can clearly see a sketch of one of the Electric Railway Trolley Cars in front of the Central hotel.
Very cool! Did he have a dog tag?
None that I know of. Man, that would be some memento! I imagine putting it in a shadowbox with my grandfather's WWII tags, the ones my father wore in Vietnam, and mine from Iraq.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
That would be awesome. It's amazing when services passes through generations in a family.
To try and capture the feel, you can always get some made after the fact. There are services that do this, like the one here:
https://www.priorservice.com/dogtagwwto19.html
Hello,
I know this is going away from the topic…..but are you guys knowledgeable about Indian Peace Medals ? I just picked up a nice one and I’m always looking for information.
Can you send a picture?
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
I used that die in 2016 as an alternate reverse for a very small number of strikes for the Colorado Springs Numismatic Society. See those with footnote "10" (first section on this page):
moonlightmint.com/dc-coin_medals_club_B.htm
Hi, here is my latest addition…not a Gettysburg piece but it is a very nice Civil War Sutler Token . See pictures below.
Holy moly @Gettysburgcollector that is one beautiful, tough Sutler token! I was watching that one. Oddly enough, there was another 119th United States Colored Infantry Regiment token in similar grade for sale at Stacks just a couple weeks prior. They are very rare, as you probably know, so the timing was unusual.
Congrats on the beautiful pickup. Please post that in the military tokens thread. We could use some activity over there:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/978930/military-tokens-thread/p4#latest
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."