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GTG, Oh Wow Another of These? Everybody's ugly, the 1884S Morgan

7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Somehow, as always the coin looks better in hand, but IMO looks to be a possible slider.

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Man that reverse looks nice (PL too!) Sadly, my guess on the obverse is only AU53-55.

    The reverse of my 84-S is also much better than the obverse. Of course, if both sides looked that way it'd be a 5-figure coin.

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55.

    John
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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,045 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On a good day AU 58

  • SurfinxHISurfinxHI Posts: 2,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going 62, market acceptable, assuming it’s not in a BB.

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55+, and as @skier07 said "On a good day AU58."

  • batumibatumi Posts: 821 ✭✭✭✭

    AU55. Nice reverse, but the obverse.....

  • Timbuk3Timbuk3 Posts: 11,658 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like it, I'm easy !!! :)

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  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU because of obverse.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Really nice reverse (hmmmm I seem to have said that before :D )... Overall, probably an AU55... In hand, and not magnified with those really great pictures... could go 58... Cheers, RickO

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess would be 61.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018 4:50AM

    The 1884-S dollar is notorious for being common and cheap in AU and below and expensive and hard to find in strict Mint State. Because of this the grading services have been pretty strict with this date and mint, and they have not handed out Mint State grades for it easily. The OP coin is no better than AU-55 or 53 on the obverse and has a dulled look as if it has been cleaned. The nicer reverse is trumped by the obverse.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll try to post a video of it tonight. As I see it the reverse is very nice, possibly worthy of a 62/3 but the obverse is the shortcoming. Still, it is well struck with minimal wear but with some mild contact marks. Let's see if that changes opinions.

    As has been stated, the coin is about in low-mid AU but seems hard for them to make that hurdle to upper AU or low MS.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very tough to get 58s on these as Bill said, though I think NGC is more lenient.

  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. I'd like to see a video, nice coin

    Collector, occasional seller

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,800 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50-53 is what I see. Still a very nice coin.

    bob :)

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  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree it is a market 62

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Kkathyl said:
    I agree it is a market 62

    This is an 84-S. You will never get the benefit of the doubt on an 84-S as the difference between AU and MS is huge. A 62 is a $20,000 coin. This isn’t even a particularly choice AU.

  • panexpoguypanexpoguy Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Gives me an 'improperly cleaned' vibe. If straight graded I think the obverse would limit it to 58.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,202 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018 11:54AM

    @Kkathyl said:
    I agree it is a market 62

    There is no way that can happen unless it is in an "Uncle Elmer's Grading Service" holder.

    "Uncle Elmer's Holder" = A grading service created for the benefit of less than ethical sellers.

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  • Wabbit2313Wabbit2313 Posts: 7,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I give it a 58. Grading service, as of late, most likely a 55.

    For those calling it MS-62, do you want to buy some 84-S Morgans? I have a bunch of MS-62's for you!

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,309 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I cheated, but indeed the reverse is WAY nicer than the obverse.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse looks washed out and possibly has been cleaned, so I'll go with AU details. If this is solely because of image quality, I'd call it AU55

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    NOT sacked for cleaning or details...at work til 7 East Coast Time.

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
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  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018 10:18AM

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  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS62 PCI and I won't play on the PCGS grade as I read the barcode.

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @David3142 said:

    This is an 84-S. You will never get the benefit of the doubt on an 84-S as the difference between AU and MS is huge. A 62 is a $20,000 coin. This isn’t even a particularly choice AU.

    I surrender.

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  • KollectorKingKollectorKing Posts: 4,820 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018 10:15AM

    -0-

  • KkathylKkathyl Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I know its not the same and never intended it to be. I can delete. Was just an Ugly Photo and weak strike.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @abcde12345 said:
    MS62 PCI and I won't play on the PCGS grade as I read the barcode.

    There is actually a free online barcode reader: https://online-barcode-reader.inliteresearch.com/

    You learn something every day, and don't even need a smartphone.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,581 ✭✭✭✭✭

    50-53.

  • jughead1893jughead1893 Posts: 1,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    53

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55, nice

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't send a 20 second video, anybody able to help?

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,935 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2018 5:32PM

    This is why market grading is a joke. If it is "not a 62" only because it's an 1884-S [which is probably the case], then the TPGs have no clothes.

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Like a lot of PLs this semi did not scan well, it had excellent eye appeal:

    Upgraded to 58 at NGC.

  • DollarAfterDollarDollarAfterDollar Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU 55 here too.

    If you do what you always did, you get what you always got.
  • ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So what's the grade?

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  • david3142david3142 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From 55 to 58 is a $1000 upgrade. Nice work!

  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,533 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry I could not post either the 10 or 20 second video. If somebody PMs me email I'll send it to them and see if they can post....

    Love that Milled British (1830-1960)
    Well, just Love coins, period.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭✭

    AU55

    When in doubt, don't.

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