XF and AU detail graded coins.
TwoSides2aCoin
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I see hairlines so I'll say cleaned.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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The photos don't show it perfectly, but both pieces appear to have had their surfaces rubbed and semi-polished. The obverse of the 1881 quarter eagle is especially obvious. Both sides of the 1885 $2.50, especially the reverse, have dulled look that you don't see from normal circulation.
It's worth studying the look of these pieces to acquaint yourself with what fooled with gold looks like. With more and more collectors depending upon the Internet to make their purchases, you need to are yourself with the ability to spot problem coins from photos. It’s not perfect, but if you are not going to go to shows or brick and mortar stores, you need this ability.
If the photos are too poor to discern that kind of detail PASS. Poor photography is the stock and trade of scam artists who sell counterfeits and processed coins.
Good points made by @BillJones.... Those are still good stackers and, after all, they are gold...
Cheers, RickO
I agree with PerryHall.
I have also seen coins in detail holders for scratches when you couldn't see anything obvious without a magnifying glass. Could be some scratches on the 1885 below Liberty's chin. Or below the eagle's beak on the 1881.
My guess is 92 (cleaned) on the first one and 94 (altered surfaces) on the second. PM me and I''ll send my address for the giveaway!
Those look familiar.
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Above are links to the true view photos.
These coins came to me, encased in Capital Holders.
Check them out in Coinfacts. I told the seller he might have something special....that I would submit them and hopefully be able to offer him more, with one caveat ( they grade) , but I was wrong. I've seen bigger problems with straight grades,... and hope springs eternal.
But, I might have expected they failed at a straight grade , for the same reasons Bill J alluded to. However, with the rarity factor ... I had to pay to play. And lost again.
They're damaged, but not by what I thought.
One naked-eye clue is to look at what we call the "halo effect." It is best seen in this image. Note the dark areas that outline the relief verses the cloudy field.
Actually I thought that the reverse of the 1881 $2.50 was the best of four sides shown. The places between the devices still had some mint surface intact. If the rest of the coin had been like it, it might gotten under wire to a straight grade of the submitter was lucky. There is no question about the other three sides. They have been rubbed and runined.
All that said, and the surfaces still don't seem so bad , the "detail" for getting a no grade is still not seen by me.
LOL, I'll need to agree with you! IMO, both sides of each of these coins have been "trashed." In the images, the reverse of the 1881 $2 1/2 is "trashed" the least.
@TwoSides2aCoin posted the rarity of this coin. Thanks but that has nothing to do with its grade. Unfortunately, the surfaces of the coin are NOT ORIGINAL. Looks like the typical haze applied by a coin doctor. Learn the look.
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After seeing these in person today, I would be curios if @insider2 can explain to us what to look for and what is the evidence of a removed mount? What does the "halo effect" have to do with a mount being removed?
The 1881 appears to have a slightly different rim thickness above the portrait (only visible on the True View) not visible in the slab due to the prong covering the rim at that point. The 1885 is also oriented in the gasket so the prong is covering where one would think a mount would have been removed from. Nothing visible to indicate the edges were messed with except a small brown spot just at the edge of the gasket on the reverse.