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Re: 2025 NFL Regular Season Thread

@Darin said:

@2dueces said:
Looks like an end of an era unfolding tonight

I don’t know about an era but the season was already over before tonight. I quit gambling but if forced to I would have even bet on the Texans.
But at least the defense didn’t give up without a fight. Loss goes to the offense.
So Brady and the Pats had a 20 year dynasty but went 10 years without a SB win, yet it’s the end of an era for the Chiefs? 😂

I didn’t mean the Chiefs are done. I meant it was the end of a 9 year AFC West division winner. One year doesn’t make the end of a dynasty

2dueces

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Re: Congratulations to silver! New all time high: $59+!!!

chart title "silver"
line legend "gold"

red line = silver that is being traded on the Shanghi Gold Exchange

grey line = silver that is being traded on the Shanghi Futures Exchange

jmski52

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Re: Contemporary Era BB HOF Ballot - Is it Donnie's time?

@DeutscherGeist said:

@ndleo said:

The new rule about being bounced FOREVER after 2 >5 vote total is just a weasal way out for the HOF. There is no need for it since they control who is on the ballot. They just don't want the responsibility for keeping out certian players.

I did not like that new rule because it prevents a player from being evaluated with a different set of eyes, in a different generation, and under a different context. So far, no one is completely bounced forever. The rule may even change again. Clemens, Sheffield and Bonds will have to wait for 2031 to get another chance, but that is still not a guarantee they will be part of the 8 candidates.

The steroid era players have not been handled consistently. Some are in the HOF now. That is a discussion for another place and time.

One thing is for sure, these elections have us at the edge of our seats and the results are so difficult to predict, which adds even more suspense and mystery.

Correct. Very inconsistent.

Another inconsistency is that the perceived steroid players are being excluded based on the integrity and character criteria. If that clause really means anything, then players like Murphy and Mattingly should be considered for their high character, and that should be more than enough to put them over the top,..in conjunction with their on the field resume.

Of course, I know that judging character is something very hard to assign/prove and I myself find it hard to go around and act like judge/jury/executioner by pointing a finger at someone and saying "good character," when I cannot possibly know the person deep enough to make such judgement. Nobody truly has that capability to assign that.

That also applies to pointing at someone and saying "bad character because it looks like you could have done roids." For one, nobody really knows. Two, who is to say it is bad character doing PED during that time or at any time? That was the culture of the league. They were trying to win. There was also no concrete area to proclaim that is even cheating. The areas are so gray as to what is ok to ingest for it to be not cheating and what is not ok to ingest because it is cheating. We don't even know exactly how much it helps.

I would guess that many people can point to questionable acts of character to the players who are voting and to the writers who are voting. If those people have flaws, and they likely do, then who are they to judge the perceived flaws of others?

In the end, the Hall is looking pretty pointless when Bonds and Clemens aren't even close to getting in. Really what is the point.

It has gotten out of hand with this character witch hunt. These guys didn't kill anyone or hurt anyone or mug anyone or rob a store at gunpoint. It is a sport played by men. Nobody is a saint. In sports or anywhere else.

1948_Swell_Robinson

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BU Roll Market Perking Up.

I'm seeing a lot of strength in modern BU rolls the last few weeks. I've been seeing a ballooning number of BU rolls for sale at retail. The retail pricing is staggering. Not so much that they are all high (average only a little less than 175% bid) but that some of the rolls are at extreme prices. Now this is translating to much higher bid prices. Buyers are picky and don't want spotted coins but they seem to have an almost insatiable demand unless you want to sell large quantities. This is a funny market because it's so thin but also because there are legacy "large quantities" and most of these are too poor of condition for buyers. Even mint sets from which most of these rolls are assembled also too poor quality because of easily removable "tarnish". These sets have suffered staggering attrition for many years and now many dates have to be destroyed because the coins in them get harder to restore every day until they are cut up and the contaminants removed.

It seems like people started looking at the penny and found modern rolls. Everyone thinks modern penny rolls are oh so common but a few of these are seeing demand as well. Wheat cent (BU) rolls have soared to $15 even for the most common dates. I wonder how many 1958-D's I've spent over the years. I suspect the difficult in actually laying hands on coins like a nice BU '71 is causing more looking at the other denominations which have become far more elusive over the years as no one watched and the coins corroded and wore. The nickel and dime markets are moving and staying ahead of the pennies for right now. Half dollars are strong and have been for a few years now. I'd call the dollars the sleeper. You simply can't obtain nice collectible versions of some of the Ikes except with luck or at retail. The '71 and '72 don't even exist in the sets and the '75 never has a nice Philly. You can clean many of them but few will grade better than MS-63. With quantity and good luck you can still find MS-65's

The pennies are likely to surprise even me. It's hard to know how many were saved each year once that number crossed two or million because it was just "common". But the ones that corrode affect large percentages of some of these dates but even that percentage might vary because some of the accumulations were vast. No matter how it plays out there are going to be some highly elusive dates and a few that exist in enormous quantity. We can't know what survived until this market matures.

This is pretty much the final road sign I've been watching for all these years. From here it's all terra incognita. A huge percentage of the surviving moderns are in the hands of the general public. They will not come to market easily. Dealers don't own these coins because they all gravitated to the public. They were consumed. I should hardly be surprised if the BU rolls don't mostly end up outside the mainstream hobby.

I never imagined this could all be so very anti-climactic. I hardly care myself since most of mine were sold long ago. 23 years ago when I got here I never imagined that many of the BU's would be tough but those rolls I had few of and that were often spotted are tough even in BU now.

cladking

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Re: Contemporary Era BB HOF Ballot - Is it Donnie's time?

I watched Bonds play for 12 seasons. Barry was a HOF player well before his (likely) PED use.

He belongs in and the fact that he isn't, makes the HOF far less meaningful. To me, at least.

I think some of these voters are babies.

balco758

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Re: 1992 D Almost tossed to the side.

@lermish said:
@Morgan White Thank you, I appreciate your dedication to making posts for a small percentage of the people here. As one of the target demographic, they make me laugh.

Morgan White

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Re: Let's talk about our "Jimmy the Greek specials"

@galaxy27 said:
@perkdog

i was following that game on my phone because i had Denver (ML) tied into a parlay

when i saw how that game ended my very first thought was, "a ton of people are going to lose their ever-loving pop tarts"

you found one of them

edit: that FG cost Portnoy a cool 250k

He can afford it but even so I feel bad for him because it's insufferable watching that type of thing unfold, it had to of cost a lot of people money and that's the rub

It's utterly ridiculous and it's added to the list of brutal things that happen and shouldn't

Every time you bet your in a position to get rewarded or totally screwed by something that happens that shouldn't happen

I keep finding new ways to lose especially with the majority of my bets being prop. bets, I took the nonsense out of picking a team to cover the point spread but inserted another way to find mind boggling things that lose me money

It's insanity lol

perkdog

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Re: 1891cc GSA Morgan

It is possible that GSA put it in a cull holder by mistake.
It is possible the coin looks nicer or has a flaw of some sort that we can’t determine with the pics provided.
It is also likely that the GSA did not have a competent numismatist sorting the massive number of Morgan’s they had to process.

2windy2fish

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Re: ANACS issues?

ANACS has established a place in the market. They seem to do a very good job with the things they specialize in and collectors like that. Less expensive coins and medals have a big market. Not everyone wants to spend four figure amounts on coin or medal items ... and ... they don't care about stickers. I'm sure their current problem will be quickly resolved and all will be well.

291fifth

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Re: Post an AU coin that you own that you believe should be graded MS (gold CAC excluded)

@Walkerguy21D said:
I thought this coin was an easy 63/64, mint frost on both sides, well struck and no rub.
I wouldn’t have submitted it if I thought it would 58:

Are they seeing the spot on the rim at Star 3 as wear??? Looks MS63 at least...

lkenefic

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