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dmb411
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I recently listed a bust half in an ANACS holder on the BST forum. An ederly gentleman I deal with asked me to sell it for him, and I agreed. I listed it, and later received a call from him asking me if I had completed the sale. I indicated that I had not, and he asked that I please do not sell the coin. I logged on to PCGS to pull the listing and to notify one person who expressed interest that the coin was no longer for sale.
In the time that had lapsed I received a PM that said "I'll take the bust half, is paypal okay"
I responded by saying:
Hi ------
Unfortunately the gentleman I was selling the coin for has decided not to sell. I apologize for this, and thank you for the interest.
I then receive the following 2 PM's:
I guess I don't understand. You offered the coin with no strings attached, certainly you said nothing about a consignor with cold feet. I agreed to your price without any quibbling and offered to pay any way you want, check, money order, or Paypal. It seems to me you're obliged to sell this coin. I don't see where it is OK to offer a coin for sale here only at a fixed price, get an agreement to your price and then have you back out. A similar looking NGC AU58 just sold on eBay for $383. To me the issue here is not money, maybe it's a good deal, maybe not. But, in coins, the principle is that you are bound by and live by your word.
Next PM:
Unless you either complete this sale or come up with a more earnest story, I am going to pursue my remedies with the BST Moderator at PCGS. I don't know what really happened here but in the real world, you would be sued. I feel as if I am being told a made up story.
Is it me, or is this absurd? In the real world even had the gentleman decided not to sell, I would have no obligation to sell anyway. But then again perhaps I am off base here?
In the time that had lapsed I received a PM that said "I'll take the bust half, is paypal okay"
I responded by saying:
Hi ------
Unfortunately the gentleman I was selling the coin for has decided not to sell. I apologize for this, and thank you for the interest.
I then receive the following 2 PM's:
I guess I don't understand. You offered the coin with no strings attached, certainly you said nothing about a consignor with cold feet. I agreed to your price without any quibbling and offered to pay any way you want, check, money order, or Paypal. It seems to me you're obliged to sell this coin. I don't see where it is OK to offer a coin for sale here only at a fixed price, get an agreement to your price and then have you back out. A similar looking NGC AU58 just sold on eBay for $383. To me the issue here is not money, maybe it's a good deal, maybe not. But, in coins, the principle is that you are bound by and live by your word.
Next PM:
Unless you either complete this sale or come up with a more earnest story, I am going to pursue my remedies with the BST Moderator at PCGS. I don't know what really happened here but in the real world, you would be sued. I feel as if I am being told a made up story.
Is it me, or is this absurd? In the real world even had the gentleman decided not to sell, I would have no obligation to sell anyway. But then again perhaps I am off base here?
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-Paul
It's not you. This is absurd. Who is the plaintiff?
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
Coin's for sale/trade.
Tom Pilitowski
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-Paul
IMHO
Paul
Lincoln set Colorless Set
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
I think he is being very immature about the matter.
You acted promptly in cancelling the sale and unfortunately, you got caught at the wrong moment (not your fault).
Your responsibility lies with the seller/owner of the coin, not the potential buyer.
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Ken
Don't sweat it...nothing the "BST Mods" can/will/should do to make you sell. No money changed hands, no agreement was made.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>Definitely absurd, sounds like he is trying to take advantage of someone with low feedback (errr, posts), and from the desperation in his responses to you, sounds like he already had it sold before he REALLY bought it, but thats JMO, and we are only hearing one side, would the other side like to respond? >>
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<< <i>Out the weasel
would that be a dead weasel?
He stews in his own juices, as he should.
Keep unfolding, universe.
Who on here said you'd be sued in the "real world"??? (and edited it out)
That's pretty funny too.
<< <i> would though, in the future, keep PM's private. I would never post a PM without prior approval of the sender, but that's just me. jws
>>
99% of the time I would agree with that, but when a member tries to bully or intimidate another member, the privacy ends. If anybody on here got obnoxious with me via PM, I'd out them in a heartbeat. One of the reasons I hang out here is that after literally thousands of PM's and messages with other members, it has never, ever happened. For the most part we handle ourselves like a bunch of gentlemen. Anybody who chooses to do otherwise with me should not count on me to keep their secret for them.
Steve
Steve
<< <i>Is it me, or is this absurd? >>
The latter. You have no obligations to anyone if there is no coin to sell. Even if the coin is available for sale, you have no obligation to sell to any particular person.
The guy who's threatening you needs to get a grip. Preferably on a bottle of Xanax.
60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
PM this person and point them to this thread then let him piss and moan all he wants to the BST Moderator who has absolutely no control over what you do or do not decide to sell. I see no reason why you can't sell whatever you want for whoever you want on the BST as the only absolute rules are no bumping your threads mutiple times in one day and no multiple threads.
What a dolt!
The name is LEE!
San Diego, CA
<< <i>-- "I don't know what really happened here but in the real world, you would be sued." --
Not only woudn't there be a lawsuit; but, last time I checked, the BST forum fell on this side of reality. >>
Interesting thing about that is that if Paul is correct with the link he posted, the guy is a lawyer.
Russ, NCNE
History of the US Constitution Coin Set
Notice I say seem!
<< <i>
<< <i>-- "I don't know what really happened here but in the real world, you would be sued." --
Not only woudn't there be a lawsuit; but, last time I checked, the BST forum fell on this side of reality. >>
Interesting thing about that is that if Paul is correct with the link he posted, the guy is a lawyer.
Russ, NCNE >>
Well that would explain the uppity pushy attitude which unfortunately doesn't get you very far in the coin world.
He's still a dolt.
The name is LEE!
Maybe this guy had someone pee in his cereal just before he ate it.
Sounds like this may be the norm.
until money changes hands, as in you agree to sell the coin and you
have payment on the way... there is no reason you cannot back out.