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richardshipp
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richardshipp
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Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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-Paul
<< <i>The problem is if anyone did publish that information, they would be sued. >>
What if it were self admited coin doctors?
What about a website of and by admited coin doctors who have promised to never practice again; have tried to amend for their transgressions; and offered free advice to others seeking opinions on their coins as to AT/NT? It might work.
Kind of like the PC virus writers who end up working for the anti-virus companies.
It might be a good way to help clear their name and conscience?????
<< <i>Let's start one!
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2) Gototoning Coins
Link.
What if it were self admited coin doctors?
Topic 3 & 4 of my continuing series on ALETERED SURFACES BUST COINAGE PART 2
I am willing to share a lot of information Artificial Toning but I know nothing about tooling or counterfeiting.
Silver bust coinage only.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
-Paul
<< <i>For a list that's "close enough", try this. >>
Hey, Andy, I'm on that list!
An authorized PCGS dealer, and a contributor to the Red Book.
That list doesn't include any of the many collectors that play with their coins...
What is now proved was once only imagined. - William Blake
<< <i>What if it were self admited coin doctors?
Link. >>
Lincoln set Colorless Set
<< <i>I doctor coins. Not rare coins, but coins nonetheless. >>
Tell us more, doc.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>What if it were self admited coin doctors?
Link. >>
great link, great read.
Ill be watching that one
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
<< <i>What a chump. I extremely dislike these morons who brag. It'so obvious in his mind his actions are justified.
If he does anything to that coin, its a crime-nothing needs to be done to it. >>
I agree with Laura. Greg pretty much epitomizes whats wrong with this hobby IMO. For Marguli, right and wrong is only measured with dollars.
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<< <i>I doctor coins. Not rare coins, but coins nonetheless. >>
Tell us more, doc. >>
I've tried baking them, I've tried wrapping them in sulfur rich napkins, I've put them in potting soil, I've blowtorched them, I've wrapped them in paper envelopes, put them in 40 year old sulfur-rich albums, and I've dunked them in homemade sulfur/vinegar solution to get them to tone. And then if I don't like the tone, I'll dip them shiney again. I've experimented with olive oil, acetone, and other chemicals, but that's about it. No whizzing or tooling or any of that, yet. Haven't researched it enough to get started on those experiments.
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<< <i>I doctor coins. Not rare coins, but coins nonetheless. >>
Tell us more, doc. >>
I've tried baking them, I've tried wrapping them in sulfur rich napkins, I've put them in potting soil, I've blowtorched them, I've wrapped them in paper envelopes, put them in 40 year old sulfur-rich albums, and I've dunked them in homemade sulfur/vinegar solution to get them to tone. And then if I don't like the tone, I'll dip them shiney again. I've experimented with olive oil, acetone, and other chemicals, but that's about it. No whizzing or tooling or any of that, yet. Haven't researched it enough to get started on those experiments. >>
Have you ever sold one on eBay?
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<< <i>I doctor coins. Not rare coins, but coins nonetheless. >>
Tell us more, doc. >>
I've tried baking them, I've tried wrapping them in sulfur rich napkins, I've put them in potting soil, I've blowtorched them, I've wrapped them in paper envelopes, put them in 40 year old sulfur-rich albums, and I've dunked them in homemade sulfur/vinegar solution to get them to tone. And then if I don't like the tone, I'll dip them shiney again. I've experimented with olive oil, acetone, and other chemicals, but that's about it. No whizzing or tooling or any of that, yet. Haven't researched it enough to get started on those experiments. >>
Have you ever sold one on eBay? >>
Yep. About 7 or 8, recently. Don't remember the exact number.
<< <i>Basestealer, you are making quite a name for yourself tonight. First, declaring your expertise on 21 Peace dollars and now this. And to think you are wearing it as a badge of honor. How sad. >>
I'm not wearing anything as a badge of honor, and couldn't care less what you think of my "name". That will be a cold day in hell! This thread is about coin doctoring, and I responded. Should I have not responded? Let me know the rules that the bullies have established so I can avoid stepping on cyber-toes.
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<< <i>Basestealer, you are making quite a name for yourself tonight. First, declaring your expertise on 21 Peace dollars and now this. And to think you are wearing it as a badge of honor. How sad. >>
I'm not wearing anything as a badge of honor, and couldn't care less what you think of my "name". That will be a cold day in hell! This thread is about coin doctoring, and I responded. Should I have not responded? Let me know the rules that the bullies have established so I can avoid stepping on cyber-toes. >>
Basestealer, really the only "rule" here is disclosing that a coin has been AT'd to the person you sold it to. I can understand performing experiments on low value coins with the intent of learning what tones coins, what they look like after different toning methods are attempted or even as a sort of artistic endeavor. But if you cross the line and AT coins with the intention of increasing their value or hiding problems and don't disclose this to a buyer, you're flat out participating in the destruction of this hobby.
My icon IS my coin. It is a gem 1949 FBL Franklin.
As for the AT, yes it should be disclosed to buyers. On ebay, I haven't seen anyone else do that.
So what exactly are you getting at?
<< <i>I don't think you got what I was getting at.
So what exactly are you getting at? >>
"rules established by the bullies" --had nothing to do with ethics, or acceptable selling practices.
I posted to this thread to discuss coin doctoring, not carryover trolling from cyberstalking sites or other threads/boards.
<< <i>Basestealer, really the only "rule" here is disclosing that a coin has been AT'd to the person you sold it to. I can understand performing experiments on low value coins with the intent of learning what tones coins, what they look like after different toning methods are attempted or even as a sort of artistic endeavor. But if you cross the line and AT coins with the intention of increasing their value or hiding problems and don't disclose this to a buyer, you're flat out participating in the destruction of this hobby. >>
For the record, I do believe that the fact the coins he sold were AT'd was disclosed in the auction listings- at least, in the ones I saw, anyway.
<< <i>If you watch auctions and dealer inventories carefully, you will start to have a good idea who is doctoring coins. >>
There are plenty of sellers on ebay that ONLY sell AT coins, and they do not mention this to their buyers. One seems to have an afinity for Franklin halves, and the other for Morgan dollars.
<< <i>If you watch auctions and dealer inventories carefully, you will start to have a good idea who is doctoring coins. >>
See, by that you imply the auctions and dealers are doing it. But I don't think you mean precisely that. So, if you think your post related any info, it didn't. It further clouded the issue by implying that dealers themselves are doing it, rather than buying from the doctors, who are the people we want identified. Capiche?
So no, watching auctions and dealer inventories reveals absolutely nothing. No one can read your mind, btw. If you know, let's hear it. Who are the known coin doctors you know who should be on this list?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>What you see over there is why there is no point to outing coin doctors. Not enough people find it objectionable. He's developed a fan club with a few dissenters waging a lonely battle. >>
I didn't follow that, Chuck. Over there, where? Who?
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>What you see over there is why there is no point to outing coin doctors. Not enough people find it objectionable. He's developed a fan club with a few dissenters waging a lonely battle. >>
I truly believe that his behavior is that of most dealers and collectors alike, but that they do not blatantly admit it, because those "evil" profiteering thouhts are generally kept well-hidden, or among the comfort of like-minded friends. He must feel as though he's in good company to post such things in front of so many others. In any case, it is not the doctoring that is objectionable, it's the deception. It's his coin, he can run it over with a freight train--but to tweak it as he's suggesting, to "profit" from the unsuspecting, is the problem. I suppose it could be argued it's a problem whenever a doctored coin leaks into anyone's hands because it could then be resold as legit later, but all these "experts" should be able to tell, lol, they sure claim they can on message boards.
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<< <i>What you see over there is why there is no point to outing coin doctors. Not enough people find it objectionable. He's developed a fan club with a few dissenters waging a lonely battle. >>
I didn't follow that, Chuck. Over there, where? Who? >>
The link that IGWT posted.
Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
I'm not here to judge anyone. As a collector though, I'd like to try to not buy coins that have been intentionally messed with if I can. Would you mind sharing your ebay id ? I'd like to see what your toned coins looked like. Thanks.
I'll post some pictures here if you want.
All I can say is I side with Basestealer. He seems to be the only honest person on this thread excepting a few who made a few casual posts.
AT is closet material stuff. And the closet is so full it is spilling out all over the place.
I have seen artifically toned bust halve dollars at every level, in every TPG holder, in MS63 down to G4.
All I can say is there are some very naive collectors on this forum, including some big time dealers who wouldn't dare endanger their reputations by talking about it.
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Apropos of the coin posse/aka caca: "The longer he spoke of his honor, the tighter I held to my purse."
<< <i>We have had an influx of people like you who say it's OK. >>
I'm not sure who you are aiming that at Pharmer.
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A washington dollar
Franklins
Bad Morgan
Crazy tiger eagle
Basestealer
That is not artificial toning that is art. These would not fool any bona-fide collector. So if a person wants to buy art that is fine with me.
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That is not artificial toning that is art. These would not fool any bona-fide collector. So if a person wants to buy art that is fine with me.
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True, but I didn't try to deceive so I tried to make the best colors I could. However, on some of the Franklins I did, it was difficult to tell. I can probably tone one to fool the "experts"--I could try and post it up and see. Less rainbow, more grit and splotch!
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<< <i>What you see over there is why there is no point to outing coin doctors. Not enough people find it objectionable. He's developed a fan club with a few dissenters waging a lonely battle. >>
A few dissenters..... who might you be referring to?