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Favorable Dipping Results - 1830 Capped Bust Half Dime... RESULTS POSTED!!!
BustHalfBrian
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Say may call it unethical or say "you've damaged a perfectly original coin", but personally, I feel a quick dip actually did this piece good. Now you can actually appreciate the fine details, when before they were masked by a layer of brown.
This is something I purchase raw on eBay as a VF. The toning was understandibly so thick that someone mistook it for a circulated piece.
This is something I purchase raw on eBay as a VF. The toning was understandibly so thick that someone mistook it for a circulated piece.
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<< <i>I think it looks MUCH better. In fact, I would probably try to just make it blast white, personally, I think the toning was ugly. >>
I thought about that. I just didn't want to soak it to the point where the surfaces would look dull and unnatural.
And I thought leaving some toning might give it a little "character"...?
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Not a fan, Lance?
I'm usually opposed to dipping, if it makes you feel any better.
left it alone, personally.
Dave
As much as I could appreciate this coin's originality before dipping it, I couldn't appreciate any of the details. It might as well have been a VF piece, because that's about as much detail as I could make out!
The toning was a lot darker than my first pair of pics suggests, trust me.
proceeds.
<< <i>... if the angle of light was correct for us to see the luster on the pre-dip... >>
You could not detect any luster before the dip. Not even a shimmer at the peripheries. Nothing.
Just brown.
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And I was reluctant to dip it, just for the record. I'd never have considered dipping it if the coin weren't for resale
Edit to add this after thought. A good deal of dealers and collectors would have done what you did but
probably all the way white. Not saying its right but done quite often.
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The post-look is the kind of material NGC absolutely drools over. Send it to them to make a fast buck and forget about it.
Eric
Fantastic job, coin looks great!!
Congrats on spotting a real winner under all that ugliness. Looking at the original photo's I could see a potentially AU piece, but your dipping has brought out the best of this piece.
toned coin with spots
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blast white coin with spots
lose-lose.
although a toned coin with toning spots is more natural, so that is a less lose.
<< <i>The post-look is the kind of material NGC absolutely drools over. Send it to them to make a fast buck and forget about it. >>
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I agree.
Eric
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<< <i>The post-look is the kind of material NGC absolutely drools over. Send it to them to make a fast buck and forget about it. >>
- stealer
I agree.
Eric >>
If PCGS kicks it back, that's the plan
<< <i>Surprised no one has commented on the ugly scratch across the face on the obverse of the predipped coin. Ironically, by getting rid of the scratch the coin now has a chance of getting a decent grade instead of being returned as genuine due to "cleaning" because of the scratch. As to eye appeal otherwise pre and post dip that is a toss-up depending on one's likes or dislikes as evident by the varied responses above. >>
Unless that scratch only penetrated the grunge layer on the coin, I highly doubt a scratch could be "dipped out." More likely the camera picking up on a fine hairline that doesn't show in the second image.
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<< <i>Surprised no one has commented on the ugly scratch across the face on the obverse of the predipped coin. Ironically, by getting rid of the scratch the coin now has a chance of getting a decent grade instead of being returned as genuine due to "cleaning" because of the scratch. As to eye appeal otherwise pre and post dip that is a toss-up depending on one's likes or dislikes as evident by the varied responses above. >>
Unless that scratch only penetrated the grunge layer on the coin, I highly doubt a scratch could be "dipped out." More likely the camera picking up on a fine hairline that doesn't show in the second image. >>
Valid observation though my assumption is just that - the scratch was deep into the toning and the only way to get rid of it was to dissolve the toning. I suppose if it was actually deeper that some Q tip applied solution might make it disappear if not too deep into the metal.
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<< <i>Surprised no one has commented on the ugly scratch across the face on the obverse of the predipped coin. Ironically, by getting rid of the scratch the coin now has a chance of getting a decent grade instead of being returned as genuine due to "cleaning" because of the scratch. As to eye appeal otherwise pre and post dip that is a toss-up depending on one's likes or dislikes as evident by the varied responses above. >>
Unless that scratch only penetrated the grunge layer on the coin, I highly doubt a scratch could be "dipped out." More likely the camera picking up on a fine hairline that doesn't show in the second image. >>
Valid observation though my assumption is just that - the scratch was deep into the toning and the only way to get rid of it was to dissolve the toning. I suppose if it was actually deeper that some Q tip applied solution might make it disappear if not too deep into the metal. >>
That would be one impressively thick layer if you are correct
Brian would be able to tell us which is the reality.
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pre-dip
post-dip
JUst a refresh to show the scratch being discussed.
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<< <i>Surprised no one has commented on the ugly scratch across the face on the obverse of the predipped coin. Ironically, by getting rid of the scratch the coin now has a chance of getting a decent grade instead of being returned as genuine due to "cleaning" because of the scratch. As to eye appeal otherwise pre and post dip that is a toss-up depending on one's likes or dislikes as evident by the varied responses above. >>
Unless that scratch only penetrated the grunge layer on the coin, I highly doubt a scratch could be "dipped out." More likely the camera picking up on a fine hairline that doesn't show in the second image. >>
Valid observation though my assumption is just that - the scratch was deep into the toning and the only way to get rid of it was to dissolve the toning. I suppose if it was actually deeper that some Q tip applied solution might make it disappear if not too deep into the metal. >>
My photo exaggerates the scratch a bit. It's really only a hairline... but a fresh one. It did contrast with the toning, and was quite distracting. Even with the scratch, the coin probably would have graded, but it was still a bit of an eye sore.
This was also a factor in my ultimate decision to dip the coin. I figured the scratch would blend better with white surfaces, and it does.
yes, that did occur to m4e, because of the numerous posts by "the big three" in here that have pointed out this type of loss time and again on things like Trade Dollars and other coins etc.
Eric
Soak for awhile this time
GrandAm
I've never dipped or cleaned a coin, but I've thought about it. I even set aside a small pile of 10-12 potential dip-ees (Ag and Cu-Ni).
The main reason I haven't done it yet is because I'm nervous about f'ing up the natural tone / eye appeal. One is a $75 hazy proof, the rest are $15-$30 uglies similar to the OP - but not nearly as bad.
If the OP were mine I would've dipped because I can't stand the sight of it natural and doubt I could sell it, but then again, I never would've bought in the first place. I'm curious did you buy with the intent to dip? Were you looking for a dip candidate?
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<< <i>Ok let me throw you guys a curve, did it occur to anyone that this piece could be a pedigreed specimen that when original was an exact match to the famous pedigreed plate coin but after the dip it just about makes it almost impossible to match but what is barely left proves it has been dipped and altered since what is remaining is still a match and thus makes it known as the very dipped Famous Pedigree.
I passed on a Norweb just for those reasons that was listed for sale by a top shelf dealer who was clueless, I also believe that dealer was the culprit who did the deed since he couldn't stop telling me how original the coin was and how much luster it had. It took me 5 minutes to match this coin to the Norweb Plate catalog, I couldn't have been the only one. BTW it sold right after I returned it. I don't like losing original pedigreed coins to the coin doctor. >>
Maybe it came from the famous Bill and Mary Jones Collection or some other random named set. I highly doubt Eliasberg, Norweb or any other pedigree worth naming settled for that coin.
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<< <i>The coin looks much better dipped.... good job, you did not overdo it and the result is a much more attractive coin. Cheers, RickO >>
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Contrary to what the purists might think, I'm not convinced that this coin was "original" before this was done. Quite often you see coins that have unattractive toning that resulted after the pieces were dipped because the dipping solution was not rinsed and neutralized from the coin. As a result the weak acids, which is what dipping solutions are, continued to react with the coin which resulted in toning and spots. The next question about this coin is will it be farily stable and continue to exhibit the current post dip appearance or will it re-tone to what will probably be an unattractive color?
<< <i>I usually hate dipped coins, an love original , but in this case,
Fantastic job, coin looks great!!
Congrats on spotting a real winner under all that ugliness. Looking at the original photo's I could see a potentially AU piece, but your dipping has brought out the best of this piece. >>
I agree it looks much better and the little bit left will make some go look how original it is. Most of the people poo pah-ing have collections full of coins like this.
I feel very strongly that the TPG's would have graded the undipped coin much lower than the dipped coin.
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<< <i>I really hope this thread will promote non-dipping in the future.
Interestingly this thread is a also a great benefit, it shows you that there are so many dipped coins out there and you now have a before and after, and hopefully thi swill be the poster boy to all those coins many here originally thought were unmessed but were in fact dipped and then another point being made here is they are getting slabbed because it is market acceptable to the tpg's , >>
Realone
I just wanted to let you know your admittedly amazing collection of coins you post from time to time in the old NGC holders have been dipped and retoned those pretty blues and what not. Most likely right before they were originally slabbed. While they are really some amazing coins not exactly in the same league with the OP's, lets not throw coins in a glass house. This advise goes to just about anyone with silver coins in theirs collection.
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If it was me, at this point, I would keep going and remove all the black spots (if that was possible).
That being said, I wouldn't have bought this coin either before or after.
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The next question I would have is how many people that have seen this thread will no longer buy a coin from you because they are afraid you may have dipped it????????