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Milk spots and die damage on RP ASE's
stev32k
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I received ten of the 20th anniversary ASE sets and so far 6 of them have milk spots and die damage. When I first imaged them I thought the spots were on the plastic capsule and didn't notice the die damage. Upon closer inspection after taking the top of the capsule off I see several have what I would call severe milk spotting and less noticeable die damage on the obverse. None of them have the same problems on the reverse. In the shots below the spots are very visible, but look a little closer and you can see pitting on the neck, breast, and bottom of the skirt. The pictures are the same coin and it is the worst of the lot.
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Sorry that you're inconvenienced this way, and thanks for highlighting the problem.
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<< <i>Wow-very disappointing. You would think that the for celebration of 20th Anniversary Eagles, they might be a bit more concerned about quality control and not let these out this way...that is if anyone there cared. Sorry that you're inconvenienced this way, and thanks for highlighting the problem. >>
You seen to have all the answers. Are you a retired CEO of a major corporation? Sounds like you've run outfits much bigger than the mint. It would be great if they put someone like you in charge to shape things up. --Jerry
<< <i>They stamped these out so fast to make a profit that there is gonna be a lot of crap coins with this issue! And look at all the people that are blind submitting that crap to get the first strike designation >>
Why was the schedule compressed? Was there an event that kept them from starting in time to make these coins in a quality manner? Seems the 20th anniversary would be something easy to schedule? My point is that I think you're speculating without any basis...but if you have any facts to back up your ranting I'd like to hear them? --Jerry
Has anyone else seem them or am I just very unlucky?
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<< <i>Wow-very disappointing. You would think that the for celebration of 20th Anniversary Eagles, they might be a bit more concerned about quality control and not let these out this way...that is if anyone there cared. Sorry that you're inconvenienced this way, and thanks for highlighting the problem. >>
You seen to have all the answers. Are you a retired CEO of a major corporation? Sounds like you've run outfits much bigger than the mint. It would be great if they put someone like you in charge to shape things up. --Jerry >>
notwilight; Sounds to me like you wish to shoot the messenger. I've always cosidered that bad policy. jws
I sure would like to know if anyone else has seen them.
I'm just keeping people honest when they want to jump to conclusions without any facts.
As near as I can tell, this is a significant issue at an organization wide level. I have no idea what the root cause is but to conclude that you understand the problem without facts to support your conclusions will prevent ever understanding the real issue.
I hope we understand it eventually or at least the mint does and fixes it. IN the mean time, we can tabulate the extent of the problem is about all we have facts to support..
Cheers,
Jerry
<< <i>No not at all. Steve32k brought us some great photos of a real issue. It will be very interesting to see how many others have the same problem. I haven't seen my coins yet as they are at PCGS in an unopened box (well, they probably opened it but I didn't). I'm sure anybody else who finds the same problem will post it to.
I'm just keeping people honest when they want to jump to conclusions without any facts.
As near as I can tell, this is a significant issue at an organization wide level. I have no idea what the root cause is but to conclude that you understand the problem without facts to support your conclusions will prevent ever understanding the real issue.
I hope we understand it eventually or at least the mint does and fixes it. IN the mean time, we can tabulate the extent of the problem is about all we have facts to support..
Cheers,
Jerry >>
Jerry; understood. Thanks for the clarification. Take Care. jws
Would we tend to believe that Steve's coins were struck after the die should have been changed or perhaps just lack of lubricant? Or could this be an issue with the planchet?
--Jerry
Needless to say, this is very disappointing from the mint. Not that I am unaware of milk spots on the SAE's but I was under the impression that the mint was addressing this issue!
I guess not!
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for us folks receiving our sets in December. This is a
crying shame.
Camelot
Very sorry to hear about your ASE reverse proofs. After reading your thread, I pulled my four sets out to look them over again. I did not detect any (thank goodness). I was going to send some out to be graded, but I think now that I will use the one free grade PCGS is doing for members between now and the end of December to grade one reverse silver proof free of charge. I wonder about a lot of these being sent in that might ultimately display milk spots. That would be bad on those that grade 70, first strike or no first strike.
CollectorMan
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<< <i>They stamped these out so fast to make a profit that there is gonna be a lot of crap coins with this issue! And look at all the people that are blind submitting that crap to get the first strike designation >>
Why was the schedule compressed? Was there an event that kept them from starting in time to make these coins in a quality manner? Seems the 20th anniversary would be something easy to schedule? My point is that I think you're speculating without any basis...but if you have any facts to back up your ranting I'd like to hear them? --Jerry >>
Jerry, Great observation There seems to be many people who know everything and they dont know jack. LOL
<< <i>We can only hope that the problems are resolved
for us folks receiving our sets in December. This is a
crying shame. >>
Those problems will be resolved, but the coins will still be ruined as they get jostled around in the unsecured packaging and the capsules holding them break and scratch the coins and/or cause them to tone very fugly very soon.
There was a pit on every one of them obverse just left of the T on LIBERTY. Along with other nicks in other places.
<< <i>They stamped these out so fast to make a profit that there is gonna be a lot of crap coins with this issue! And look at all the people that are blind submitting that crap to get the first strike designation >>
Cool! I opened mine and they all look good...nothing like what poor Steve got.....
(good for me, sorry for him )
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
I might add all are from the same set of dies.
4 out of 5, with a 10x loupe, I couldn't see any issues (looked quickly, but still...)
1 out of 5 had a very small speck on it in the field. Couldn't see with the naked eye....only with the loupe and tilting in the light.
I'm happy with mine, sorry for those that didn't get good ones, and not sure if I am sorry, or not, for those that sent them in "sight-unseen", as PCGS requires, to get graded....if they have "bad" ones.
If, what Steve mentions is happening more, then I think those with really good ones will see values rise
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
One can see faint spots on the worst coin even with the naked eye, but the pits on both are impossible to see even with an 8X loupe. The spots on the second one cannot be seen with the naked eye and with an 8X loupe I was still not sure if they were spots or just reflections.
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He seems to be an all-knowing defender of all that appears wrong at the mint, coming up with questions like: Do you really know first hand in fact whether the mint cares or not? Have you some sort of secret special access that the rest of us lack?
Its comforting to know that there are experts in the field who care so much to protect the mint's honor and reputation. This, despite the FACT that so many aspects of their premium coin program are so messed up.
<< <i>Wow-very disappointing. You would think that the for celebration of 20th Anniversary Eagles, they might be a bit more concerned about quality control and not let these out this way...that is if anyone there cared.
Sorry that you're inconvenienced this way, and thanks for highlighting the problem. >>
Keep in mind though, that often times, milk spots don't appear for days, weeks, months or years after the coin has been made, and sometimes it doesn't happen until the cap has been opened and the coin exposed to the elements...
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Thats why PCGS will not grade any as MS70.
Now it is happening to the proofs?
BTW. Those spots suck. It's an issue that seems like it's been around as long as the SAEs themselves (and actually longer - PROOFs from the early 60s have them too).
I have serious doubt that the problem will be worked out before December - but then someone is going to ask me how I happen to know so much about the problem that I can make that estimate - here is the answer, I don't so don't even F-ing ask! It's my opinion.
<< <i>has anybody else had coins arrive like this? they do look like cr@p. i guess i won`t be submitting mine sealed to PCGS. >>
I must be lucky, no milk on my 10 RP's. I did have a nick here and there on 5. I sent my 5 best uncs and rp's to PCGS on friday the 20th and got a call from them this morning (23rd) at 0735 with a question about my golds. Pretty quick I'd say, since these are my 8 "free' submissions.
<< <i>I have serious doubt that the problem will be worked out before December - but then someone is going to ask me how I happen to know so much about the problem that I can make that estimate - here is the answer, I don't so don't even F-ing ask! It's my opinion. >>
I agree with you. If they haven't corrected this problem over the past several years that its been occuring, they sure aren't going to fix it in the next two months.
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<< <i>No wonder that PR69 on ebay went for so much. >>
Looks like a good PCGS REV PRF 69 will the star of the 2006 Anniv ASEs
<< <i>or try and wash them to see if the spots will come off >>
Milk spots are struck in, they will not wash off.
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I am sorry to see this. I've long contended there are big problems with quality control at the mint. And it starts with washing of the strips. The drying process must be pathetic. It seems to get worse every year, while the prices continue going up, the quality of some coinage goes down. contact the US MINT DIRECTOR, your congressmen, senators, representatives ......... tell them you're mad as hell and you're not gonna take it anymore
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<< <i>They stamped these out so fast to make a profit that there is gonna be a lot of crap coins with this issue! And look at all the people that are blind submitting that crap to get the first strike designation >>
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