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My 1835 Classic Head Gold $2.50 came back from PCGS Genuine 92...Cleaning, AU Details
Goldbully
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There are hair lines in the fields, however you need a high X loupe to see them.....what am I missing here?
I took the coin to a reputable dealer, and he had to use a microscope to see the flaws.
I really love the look of this one in hand
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Not often you see halos on a non cleaned coin.
bob
your Classic Head looks good in your pics, but we all know one has to see it in hand.
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My experience has been when you see a halo around the stars, it's been cleaned. Maybe retoned later.
Not often you see halos on a non cleaned coin.
Not true at all on gold!
AUandAG, do you own any pre-1900 dated gold?
It's ironic that I started a thread a little earlier today about this very topic and now you post this...
My take after looking at a lot of early gold, grading it is very subjective. It's more about the look than technical details. They might just not like your coin (today) and you have to accept that, not everyone's taste is the same. They might like it tomorrow (crack it out and send back in)...but if it comes back cleaned after 3 tries, maybe that's a sign that they just don't like the coin? If you do, keep it, if you don't, sell it.
Be happy, and enjoy, that's the most important thing.
Remember that cleaning doesn't only apply to the fields.
So if you don't agree with the details grade crack it and have someone else submit it for you.
<< <i>Goldbully, Looks like a nice coin that should straight grade...
So if you don't agree with the details grade crack it and have someone else submit it for you. >>
Looks a little brassy but I agree that it should make it one of these submissions.
I do not send in my good coins or coins on the fence with customers dreck / questionable stuff, there is a reason!
<< <i>Biggest question I have, was it sent in with good gradeable stuff, or sent it with questionable coins or other no grade's ?
I do not send in my good coins or coins on the fence with customers dreck / questionable stuff, there is a reason! >>
It was a 5 coin submission, the other 4 coins were raw CBH's.....all graded.
<< <i>Goldbully, Looks like a nice coin that should straight grade...
So if you don't agree with the details grade crack it and have someone else submit it for you. >>
Why would he have someone else submit it for him?
<< <i>Why would he have someone else submit it for him? >>
Better chance to straight grade as it's not on record for having been net graded.
That said, it's still a nice looking coin, and I've seen worse coins straight graded - well, in NGC slabs, anyway.
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There are hair lines in the fields, however you need a high X loupe to see them.....what am I missing here?
I took the coin to a reputable dealer, and he had to use a microscope to see the flaws.
I really love the look of this one in hand
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Believe me brother, …. try again, and again if you must.
<< <i>Do you see any smooth/shiny/glossy high points?
Remember that cleaning doesn't only apply to the fields. >>
This was my thought as well
Latin American Collection
To me, that coin (from the TrueView) has the classic look of a cleaned coin.
Here some Classic quarter eagles, two original IMO, one worked on. They all got grades from PCGS.
Graded MS-62
Graded AU-55
Graded AU-50. This one is not original.
And I foregot ... This one is graded AU-58, and I think that it is original in bright yellow gold ...
I appreciate all the comments and suggestions from the valued forum folks.
I don't see "the classic look of a cleaned coin" on the True View picture.
Do Classic Heads that are cleaned have a "classic look of a cleaned coin?"
With gold being such a soft metal, I always forgive some small abrasion lines that need magnification to see.
When gold is cleaned it usually tells you so.
Your coin looks like it should grade clean IMO.
Nice coin.
Secondly, the several different looking layers of surface, and lighter halos around the stars suggest an original coin.
That is of course your coin does have the same appearance in person as it does the picture.
<< <i>Thanks Bill for the comparable images.
I appreciate all the comments and suggestions from the valued forum folks.
I don't see "the classic look of a cleaned coin" on the True View picture.
Do Classic Heads that are cleaned have a "classic look of a cleaned coin?" >>
*shrug*, I was simply offering my opinion. I can always take it elsewhere, though.
Latin American Collection
Second Answer- following up on this comment:
<< <i>Do you see any smooth/shiny/glossy high points?
Remember that cleaning doesn't only apply to the fields. >>
I like the look of the coin in the picture. But if I had to find something, I would question the toning at the highest points on the obverse. The highest points (hair curls near face, curls on top of head, points of stars) look to have a copper orange toning over lighter surfaces, perhaps caused by those areas being cleaned/wiped and then retoned over. The higher areas right next to those highest spots, however, have a darker crusty look. Perhaps this indicates a cleaning of the highest points on the obverse.
You don't see nearly as much of the same on the reverse. In fact, the higher areas on the reverse look more crusty than toned over.
Edited: I hit Enter before I finished.
<< <i>I suppose I go for a different look than most. An example of what I think is an AU Classic $2.5 with original skin. AU55 CAC
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Goldbully's coin looks more original than this coin, IMHO.
You're making my Genuine Classic Gold $2.50 think one day he could be gradable.
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