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Error Guys......what's going on here? Just a strike thru on the obverse or something else?



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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 43,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ashamed to say, I didn't even notice the missing portions of the obverse legend until I read the Prof's post. I was focused on the "dished" look and raised rim area at the top of the obverse.



    Neat looking coin. Even without the error, I like the look of it. There's just something about those nicer circ CN Indians. The color, I guess. I like 'em the same way I like a nice crusty VF Morgan or CircCam silver.



    (Oh, sorry. Was I babbling again?)

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    TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes, greased die.



    not sure about the rim
    Frank

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grease.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suspect it is a tapered thin planchet. Can we get an edge shot adjacent to the thin area?
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darn - once again, the Capt. beats me to it.



    It's not a filled die - it's a taped thin planchet.



    It will weigh less than it should, when you put it on

    a scan, in either grams or grains.



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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Darn... I would have thought grease filled initially ...thanks Capt. and Fred...

    Cheers, RickO
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    ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway

    I suspect it is a tapered thin planchet. Can we get an edge shot adjacent to the thin area?




    Thanks Capt. I thought it was more than a filled die. I won't have it in hand for a couple days. I will post pic and weight when I get it.
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    TopographicOceansTopographicOceans Posts: 6,535 ✭✭✭✭
    I was going to go with broadstruck, but the experts saved me from embarassing myself.image
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    winkywinky Posts: 1,671
    Neat Indian.
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    ManorcourtmanManorcourtman Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭✭
    Update: 4.46 grams is the weight. Supposed to be 4.7. Can't get a good close-up, sorry.
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    FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,747 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think the proper weight of the coin should be 4.66 grams, according to the Redbook.

    (don't mean to be picky)



    It's about 4 grains light,which makes sense,

    based on what the tapered end portion looks like.



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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, what Fred and Tom said. The neat little rim cuds on the obverse are a nice bonus, too.




    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    Darn nice grab as I was just looking at one just exactly like yours. image
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ProfHaroldHill
    I'm still not clear on how it's being theorized that the metal flows all the way to the rim, yet does *not* fill the letters in "OF AMERICA".



    Is the weakness in the denticles the visual 'key' to tapered planchet, not filled die?



    I see where you answered your own question below, but something else to remember is that these planchets went through an upsetting process prior to striking to help move metal into the rim and ensure it is struck up. That is why the rim is partially formed but the denticles are nonexistent.



    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice 1903!
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,635 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: ProfHaroldHill

    Thanks Capt, I'm glad now I set that one aside.



    Sean, I think what threw me off on the first example was the appearance of the partial denticles. I knew there should be a partial rim, but I was bothered by the appearance of the partial denticles. Clearly then, there must have been enough metal in the adjoining areas to flow over to the edge, on Manorcourtman's coin. While metal is in a fluid state, it can do strange things, ("strange" at least, when viewed from the usual perspective of it's solid state.)



    So I'm guessing the tapered planchets would most likely have come from the beginning, or the end, of the strip, after it had been rolled out to its working thickness, prior to blanking(?)




    That is the presumption.
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    seanqseanq Posts: 8,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Originally posted by: CaptHenway


    Originally posted by: ProfHaroldHill


    So I'm guessing the tapered planchets would most likely have come from the beginning, or the end, of the strip, after it had been rolled out to its working thickness, prior to blanking(?)



    That is the presumption.



    I would throw in the sides of the strip as well, but otherwise yes, you are spot on.



    Sean Reynolds

    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor

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