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1964-D Peace Dollar Paradox ??
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If a real one does ever surface, who would, and how would they, be expert enough to assert, and prove, that it is real, and would you believe them? I mean, how can someone say something is genuine, if they have never seen one before? Is there anyone in this hobby that you have enought faith in to believe?
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<< <i>One already did surface, according to CoinWorld. It is in Croatia. >>
Have more info on this?
<< <i>The Mint. >>
How'd that work out for the Langbords?
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Do they still have the dies? That might work. Wasn't thinking
Croatia - it could buy the whole place, but who would want it ? lol
<< <i>They could just compare it to mine- >>
That's a 62, really.
Lance.
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<< <i>They could just compare it to mine- >>
That's a 62, really.
Lance. >>
come on, you know the TPGs give the ultra rarites a few points
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<< <i>They could just compare it to mine- >>
That's a 62, really.
Lance. >>
come on, you know the TPGs give the ultra rarites a few points
In a few more years it will be a Matte Proof
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If you had one that was made by the US Mint, it would be illegal to own (and subject to immediate confiscation).
But these that I made by using my Denver Mint coin press to over-strike genuine 1922-1926 Peace dollars, are (potentially) legal to own:
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THAT got an MS63????
The name is LEE!
<< <i>The real paradox (irony, actually) is this:
If you had one that was made by the US Mint, it would be illegal to own (and subject to immediate confiscation).
But these that I made by using my Denver Mint coin press to over-strike genuine 1922-1926 Peace dollars, are (potentially) legal to own:
Potentially?
Since the coin was never released and therefore does not exist, is it still legal to produce these without the word "COPY" Daniel?
The name is LEE!
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<< <i>The real paradox (irony, actually) is this:
If you had one that was made by the US Mint, it would be illegal to own (and subject to immediate confiscation).
But these that I made by using my Denver Mint coin press to over-strike genuine 1922-1926 Peace dollars, are (potentially) legal to own:
Potentially?
Since the coin was never released and therefore does not exist, is it still legal to produce these without the word "COPY" Daniel? >>
That is the question that nobody can (or wants) to answer !
<< <i>Interesting technicality. If they were never produced/issued, then there could be no copy. (You cannot copy something that does not exist) Actually, it would be legal unless one tried to use it as currency.. then it would be counterfeit, and illegal, subject to penalties as prescribed by law. Cheers, RickO >>
They were definitely produced, and at least two existed for several years before being destroyed by the Mint Lab.
As for authenticating one, give me the coin and a 48-hour head start and I'll get back to you......
48-hour head start? What are using public transportation?
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Usually the Secret Service performs the authentication services for the U. S. government.
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That's a good start!
On the serious side, there are several diagnostic features that have not been published that differentiate 1964-D dollars struck at Denver from imitations and altered coins such as 1934 or 1924 dollars. Descriptions and related material are carefully locked away and will not be disclosed. They can be used to authenticate any real 1964-D dollars that show up.
The really sad part is that various mint directors were so “closed minded” that they did not see the value in retaining the last two held by the Technology Office, or donate them to the Smithsonian.
<< <i>The really sad part is that various mint directors were so “closed minded” that they did not see the value in retaining the last two held by the Technology Office, or donate them to the Smithsonian. >>
Yes, that would have been great, but even as late as the Bicentennial, prototype silver clad coins that did not have mint marks were consigned to the melting pot. Government bearcats often have little sense of history.
Destruction lists show that much more than bicentennial coins without mintmarks were ruined. Try 12-sided Ikes, small Ikes, 2-cent pieces, pattern nickels, Liberty dollars in multiple sizes and formats. Peace dollars in .800 fine, etc., etc.
Does that mean youre all nuts?
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<< <i>Interesting technicality. If they were never produced/issued, then there could be no copy. (You cannot copy something that does not exist) Actually, it would be legal unless one tried to use it as currency.. then it would be counterfeit, and illegal, subject to penalties as prescribed by law. Cheers, RickO >>
But the ones I made are legal currency - since they are struck over genuine legal-tender US Peace silver dollars.
Concerning counterfeits, the key parts were denomination, nationality and design. The date is only incidental, so long as the approved design remains legal tender. [This is from a Treasury Dept attorney’s opinion in the 1940s – so it’s just historical.]
I have asked two others whom I suspect have, and their non-answers convince me they have too.
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Usually the Secret Service performs the authentication services for the U. S. government. >>
Back in the early 80s I had a Secret Service agent in the Summer Seminar counterfeit detection class I was teaching. I asked him why he was there, and he said that the Service wanted to learn something about counterfeits so that they did not have to send everything over to the Mint for a determination.
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