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DCarr 1964-D Peace Dollar overstikes.
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Has anyone had PCGS encapsulate this issue or are they all still raw??
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Well, just Love coins, period.
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really?? I believe the only reason none are in PCGS holders is because no one is aware that they will encapsulate them and no one has tried.
PCGS will grade listings according to their list if you have the the correct publication. I just received mine in the mail on Friday for something unrelated and the 1964-D Peace Dollar overstrike by DCarr is included in the listings within the proper context. I see no reason why they would go against what they clearly outline on their "PCGS Submission Guidelines" page.
I don't have any DCarr pcs. so I can't submit them.
Having had a number of very esoteric pieces properly graded and encapsulated by PCGS, I have no doubt that PCGS will slab these, and NOT in "Details" holders. I expect that PCGS will NOT label them as Peace dollars at all, but as privately minted tokens. (In essence, the underlying U.S. Mint-issued Peace dollar just serves as the planchet for the token)
The piece below is another esoteric item, a privately minted token, created to present a design concept for the new golden dollar coins. It was not made by the U.S. Mint (or the official mint of any foreign country), has no legal tender value, and was produced with a lower mintage than the DCarr "1964" pieces, yet it was encapsulated by PCGS with its proper designation as a token.
to be sure, I don't necessarily agree with the striking of these pieces but they are popular here, so I am surprised no one has had them encapsulated since they are eligible. many of Dan's fantasy strikes and some of his other Tokens are also eligible. in light of a recent thread about some members having them tone I would wonder why they aren't "stored" in a PCGS capsule??
You've got to be joking. When is this going to happen?
Never happen
I hope you are right. These "things" are not real and should not even be allowed....much less put in coin holders!
You've got to be joking. When is this going to happen?
Not joking at all -- the pieces are duly listed in a token variety reference book that PCGS acknowledged in a written press release that they would accept for attributions of tokens when those tokens are submitted.
Now, as far as being overstruck on something, and NOT being listed as Post-Mint Damage, check out the Cert Verification for this one:
Not only did PCGS acknowledge on the label that the coin was overstruck on something else, they gave it a straight grade of MS66+BN, and it sold for nearly a quarter-million in the Pogue Auction. BTW, the coin was also approved by CAC as described on the label!!
There are also numerous "So-Called Dollars" that are basically replicas of U.S. coins of earlier eras, such as Continental Dollars and $50 Gold Territorial Slugs. Those are identified in a numismatic reference book that is acknowledged by PCGS, and so those get holdered by PCGS as well. The only real difference, is that the DCarr pieces are of more recent creation.
Can you imagine if PCGS slabbed these as PMD. The label would read something like "Peace Dollar, Genuine, Damaged," and the unsuspecting buyer is told, "Yes" just look at the damage on the "D" mint mark -- someone tried to make it bolder, and ended up kind of doubling it!"
Although I did self slab this
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Bought and sold tons of DCarr restrikes, not swimming upstream on anything. Jeez, last I knew, DCarr was soliciting PCGS for potential slabbing as posted on this board. Last I saw, not yet successful, hope abounds for many.
I talked to David Hall about it a couple times briefly (two to three years ago after their "tokens and medals" press release came out).
All I did was ask him if they would "certify" them.
I didn't get any firm answer at the time, and I didn't press the issue.
I never tried submitting one, so I don't know what would happen.
I'm surprised they don't, as I get most of mine slabbed for the protection.
Although I did self slab this
I like that
And it won't rotate in the holder either
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The piece below is neither a coin, nor struck on one, but a creation from defaced dies, yet PCGS not only graded it, but even created a Registry Set for it and its related items --
There are also numerous "So-Called Dollars" that are basically replicas of U.S. coins of earlier eras, such as Continental Dollars and $50 Gold Territorial Slugs. Those are identified in a numismatic reference book that is acknowledged by PCGS, and so those get holdered by PCGS as well. The only real difference, is that the DCarr pieces are of more recent creation.
If I recall correctly, the Bashlow "Confederate Cent" restrikes were actually made from transfer dies. In addition, regarding the original "Confederate Cents", some researchers doubt they were ever actually made for the Confederacy, but instead were made for sale to collectors in the years immediately following the Civil War. The real truth will probably never be known.
PCGS may have a hard time explaining to Mr. Carr how a piece he took from the press with white cotton gloves doesn't make better than MS67
Not all of them get the "white glove" treatment.
I also produce a class of "bulk-handled" pieces which are intentionally jingled around with other coins. Those often grade MS63 or so.
--- Token X-383 Silver Daniel Carr Fantasy Overstrike 1964-D.
that might not be exact, but it will give PCGS the information required to reference the submission and it will probably be close to what appears on the insert. as Dan said above, he last spoke with HRH a few years ago and the Publication they are using was probably new or had just been re-issued in a new edition. included are 5+ pages of Daniel Carr issues with pictures and descriptions. I will be mailing a submission this morning with items referenced from the catalogue and only one assigned a "coin number" when I used the online submission formed, telling me none had been graded yet.
I can surmise what the number will be by using the number for the listing just prior to my item(s) in the catalogue, but PGCS may have their own unique way to do that. if I were to use that line of thinking I would assign the following number to the DCarr pc. in question: 600464. how did I get that number?? there are 216 catalogue listings between the Concept Dollar on page one and the DCarr overstrike, I just added the two, but there might be sub-listings with a suffix which show up when new items are submitted that would change things.
using the online submission form, if a Token hasn't been submitted yet to PCGS there will be no coin number assigned. if you were to submit one that "first line" would be something like what's below:
--- Token X-383 Silver Daniel Carr Fantasy Overstrike 1964-D.
that might not be exact, but it will give PCGS the information required to reference the submission and it will probably be close to what appears on the insert. as Dan said above, he last spoke with HRH a few years ago and the Publication they are using was probably new or had just been re-issued in a new edition. included are 5+ pages of Daniel Carr issues with pictures and descriptions. I will be mailing a submission this morning with items referenced from the catalogue and only one assigned a "coin number" when I used the online submission formed, telling me none had been graded yet.
I can surmise what the number will be by using the number for the listing just prior to my item(s) in the catalogue, but PGCS may have their own unique way to do that. if I were to use that line of thinking I would assign the following number to the DCarr pc. in question: 600464. how did I get that number?? there are 216 catalogue listings between the Concept Dollar on page one and the DCarr overstrike, I just added the two, but there might be sub-listings with a suffix which show up when new items are submitted that would change things.
Actually, that's not how PCGS assigns PCGS numbers! I know that, as due to my submissions over the past few years have resulted in PCGS assigning a couple hundred new PCGS Coin Numbers. When I submitted a large group (nearly 100 pieces) of tokens listed in the Rulau book all at once, PCGS assigned Coin Numbers that were essentially in numerical order (including numbers for "brown," "red brown," and "red" for the copper tokens). Then when I sent in a later submission of the same type of tokens, the PCGS Coin Numbers assigned to those also were in general numeric order, but were completely different than the first group.
I have been told that PCGS does NOT assign Coin Numbers until they have (or expect to have) submissions for a particular coin. So, there are no spaces reserved for coins that exist but have not been submitted to PCGS as yet.
anyone who has ever submitted an item to PCGS knows that if you leave off something like a coin number the coins will still be graded, it just slows the process. it's the same here and I believe ambro knows that. he just doesn't like DCarr 1964-D overtsikes.
I look forward to seeing these slabbed by PCGS.... they are legitimate tokens made legally by an excellent artist....I will never understand the animosity held by a few against these pieces... Cheers, RickO
The good thing is it's only a few haters. The majority realize the legitimacy of Dans work including PCGS. Some people just need something in their lives to be disgruntled about.
Ok.....what's the PCGS coin number? Gotta get past that line on the submission form first.....
As of Jan 2016 the PCGS coin number is optional on a submission form.
Lance.
the thread has really turned stupid after I asked a simple question. I'm not out to prove anything as you seem to think, I just asked a question and answered some baseless statements with information that might help members understand why I believe PCGS will now encapsulate these Tokens. hopefully a member(s) who owns one of the DCarr overstrikes and would like it encapsulated by PCGS will now be encouraged to do so.
anyone who needs any other pertinent information should feel free to send me a PM, but you'll have to pay your own submission fees.
I couldn't reply to this while I was at work, the catalogue was at home. this is also listed as X-399 and I have no doubt that PCGS would also encapsulate it. the first line would be as follows:
--- Token X-399 Silver Daniel Carr Fantasy Trade Dollar 2007-D.
Since I have been the one prompting PCGS to create new Coin Numbers for token submissions, I will submit the 1964-D's I have to PCGS pronto, and then we will have the final answer in due time!!
You've got to be joking. When is this going to happen?
Not joking at all -- the pieces are duly listed in a token variety reference book that PCGS acknowledged in a written press release that they would accept for attributions of tokens when those tokens are submitted.
Now, as far as being overstruck on something, and NOT being listed as Post-Mint Damage, check out the Cert Verification for this one:
I find it interesting that this is overstruck on a cent sized token that was cut down and used by the US mint to strike half cents! Thanks for posting an awesome example.
Not only did PCGS acknowledge on the label that the coin was overstruck on something else, they gave it a straight grade of MS66+BN, and it sold for nearly a quarter-million in the Pogue Auction. BTW, the coin was also approved by CAC as described on the label!!
I think this thread is evidence enough for why none have been sent in, it is apparent that no one knew they were eligible. I have looked at the "Publication" list on the submission page quite a few times and never noticed the book until cardinal told me about it. once the word gets out and a few Tokens are shown in PCGS holders I imagine more members will go that route.
as I said in an earlier post, there are about five pages of listings, too many to post here.