Can any trade dollar experts offer me a ray of sunshine?

coolest · April 25, 2012 6:51AM

I just bought this coin 1878cc trade dollar in an NGC holder graded AU details “improperly cleaned”.
Do you think I have any chance of submitting to PCGS and being given a number grade?
I actually like the look of the coin anyway, and it will fit perfectly into my key date type set, but Im thinking if PCGS would grade it “50 ish” then I might possibly qualify for the coveted “You Suck”, considering I almost never see this date available anywhere (outside of china).
1878cc

Kaelasdad · April 25, 2012 6:58AM

Two things, its hairlined, and most importantly, you cannot ask for a "you suck", even if you would have qualified, if you ask for it, it is not given--"you sucks" are bestowed.

PerryHall · April 25, 2012 7:00AM

If NGC won't grade it, it's unlikely PCGS will grade it. Enjoy it as is or sell it and put the money toward a graded coin in the slab you prefer.

COALPORTER · April 25, 2012 7:00AM

New NGC holder makes me wonder if it used to be
a PCGS Genuine or other TPG net graded ?
I would be surprised if it went from raw- never slabed to NGC.

123cents · April 25, 2012 7:02AM

From the photos I would think PCGS would also give it a details grade. Sorry!

COALPORTER · April 25, 2012 7:03AM

<< Two things, its hairlined, and most importantly, you cannot ask for a "you suck", even if you would have qualified, if you ask for it, it is not given--"you sucks" are bestowed. >>

Yeap, it's like asking the Queen if you can be Knighted.

TheBigB · April 25, 2012 7:12AM

I think buying a details slab on ebay based on images and hoping it will grade is a bit over optimistic.

chocolatebayou · April 25, 2012 7:21AM

Here's my '78S in AU58

Corky

michiganboy · April 25, 2012 7:50AM

Well I'd have to agree with it getting a details holder at PCGS as well. They do market grading only on extremely low mintage or scarce survival rate coins. Meaning they will give certain coins with problems they deem market acceptable a numeric grade. In the case with this coin they are rare but not that rare that you could not find one for sale in a problem free state rather easily if funds are not limited.

crypto79 · April 25, 2012 8:04AM

I have seen worse in graded holders but your coin shows the classic signs of retoning. That said it is worth it to crack it and submit and hope for the best as it could make out in a 45 holder depending on the amount and severity of the hairlines. It isn't bad for a cleaned coin.

MilkmanDan · April 25, 2012 8:38AM

My personal opinion is that at some point in time, not necessarily now, NGC was harsher on trade dollars than PCGS. I don't know if it's still true or ever was, this is just my personal observation. I have theorized it has to do with the overall rarity of many of the trade dollars.

I think your coin has a very slim chance of straight grading, but it's worth a shot. I agree with Crypto, I have seen worse graded, but many of those were graded long ago.

kaz · April 25, 2012 8:48AM

I agree with Crypto: i've seen worse get graded, it's worth a shot once or twice. I have a 78-s in AU 55 that is hairlined and in a no problem holder. Pretty nice looking coin, imo

coolest · April 25, 2012 11:16AM

Well it need to be sent to PCGS at least once to put it into a proper holder even if it is likely to be Genuine
Will then post the results.
-Thanks

nags · April 25, 2012 11:29AM

Question - The price lists this coin as worth $16,500 in 60, $9000 in 55, and $4250 in 40. These coin is listed as having AU details. I assume that the hairlines are VERY superficial. If you crack this thing out and carry it around wouldn't the general wear from the "circulation" wear down and/or hide the hairlines? If so, you could wear this bad boy down to a 40 and still be sitting pretty.

Where is the err in my logic?

coolest · April 25, 2012 11:45AM

Actually, I am hairlinephobic, but I dont see the indications of cleaning hairlines that others are commenting on.

It was my original opinion (from the photos) that the graders thought the coin was over-dipped an thus retoned but I think a great percentage of dipped coins end up in holders.

crypto79 · April 25, 2012 11:50AM

<< Question - The price lists this coin as worth $16,500 in 60, $9000 in 55, and $4250 in 40. These coin is listed as having AU details. I assume that the hairlines are VERY superficial. If you crack this thing out and carry it around wouldn't the general wear from the "circulation" wear down and/or hide the hairlines? If so, you could wear this bad boy down to a 40 and still be sitting pretty.

Where is the err in my logic? >>

It is easy to wear a silver coin down a grade or two what is hard to do is replicate the 100years that it originally sat in a drawer after it finished circulating. A pocket piece comes out looking polished and shiny more often than not

coolest · April 25, 2012 12:11PM

<< Question - The price lists this coin as worth $16,500 in 60, $9000 in 55, and $4250 in 40. These coin is listed as having AU details. I assume that the hairlines are VERY superficial. If you crack this thing out and carry it around wouldn't the general wear from the "circulation" wear down and/or hide the hairlines? If so, you could wear this bad boy down to a 40 and still be sitting pretty.

Where is the err in my logic? >>

It has Been my experience that price guides for key dates for coins are a Joke. Can anyone tell me what PCGS coins are actualy selling for?

tradedollarnut · April 25, 2012 12:30PM

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<< Question - The price lists this coin as worth $16,500 in 60, $9000 in 55, and $4250 in 40. These coin is listed as having AU details. I assume that the hairlines are VERY superficial. If you crack this thing out and carry it around wouldn't the general wear from the "circulation" wear down and/or hide the hairlines? If so, you could wear this bad boy down to a 40 and still be sitting pretty.

Where is the err in my logic? >>

It has Been my experience that price guides for key dates for coins are a Joke. Can anyone tell me what PCGS coins are actualy selling for? >>

There quite literally arent any. I have seen less than two handfuls of pcgs 78-ccs in the last decade

coolest · April 25, 2012 12:56PM

There quite literally arent any. I have seen less than two handfuls of pcgs 78-ccs in the last decade >>

Oh? That can't be good

michiganboy · April 25, 2012 1:14PM

<< Actually, I am hairlinephobic, but I dont see the indications of cleaning hairlines that others are commenting on.

It was my original opinion (from the photos) that the graders thought the coin was over-dipped an thus retoned but I think a great percentage of dipped coins end up in holders. >>

I just pulled up the coin on ngc and they have photos up and the obverse looks pretty hairlined, more so then sellers photos looked and I was checking out that mint mark cause it looks funky with all that toning so I decided to pull the cert.

TennesseeDave · April 25, 2012 1:16PM

I was watching the coin just to see where it ended. I need a 78-cc ,but want one already Pcgs graded. I doubt there are many of this date and MM that are still raw that will grade. Good luck if you decide to crack it out and sent to our host.

Mitchell · April 25, 2012 2:39PM

Sorry, I'm with the hairlines crowd. There's plenty of them. The fields have been wiped and the coin is retoning along the lines of the cleaning.

stealer · April 25, 2012 3:42PM

Depending on how bad the hairlines stand out in hand, I think it has a pretty good shot at getting graded. A lot of lower end AU coins have clearly been wiped before and almost all are just plain ugly. This one is retoned and the crust doesn't look so appealing but at least it isn't white and dull.

coolest · May 4, 2012 11:45AM

OK the coin is here the hair lines look consistent with a lightly circulated coin, but the color makes me want to say re toned.

The big question now is do I send it as cross -over or am I forced to crack it out for a chance at a graded coin?

I will be happy to keep this coin in my collection and I can live with a Genuine holder, for this date with this look, but is it possible to send PCGS a coin in a holder saying "improperly cleaned" and have any sliver of a chance of getting a grade?

TennesseeDave · May 4, 2012 12:51PM

If I had the coin, I would crack it out and send it to Pcgs raw. It will likely end up in a genuine holder with code 92 for being cleaned,but I would rather have it in a Pcgs holder. No chance it will cross-over into a problem free holder at Pcgs if sent in the NGC holder. Of course this is only my opinion.

edited for spelling.

crypto79 · May 4, 2012 1:08PM

crack and submit, you have nothing to lose

MilkmanDan · May 4, 2012 1:21PM

I share this opinion, crack it out. It's not supposed to make a difference, but I think it has a better chance of grading if you send it in raw. It costs you the same either way, and I'd rather have it in a Gen PCGS holder. Good luck!

MilkmanDan · May 4, 2012 1:25PM

<< OK the coin is here the hair lines look consistent with a lightly circulated coin, but the color makes me want to say re toned. >>

By the way, how is the color, front vs. back? The pictures of the coin in slab made it look like the toning was different between the two sides. If so, that will not bode well for a straight grade.

coolest · May 4, 2012 3:11PM

I will crack and take photos this week end

Thanks for the opinions

DDR · May 4, 2012 3:33PM

I am with the crack and submit crowd. It will cost you something, but the upside is tremendous.

But don't crack it out and carry it around in your pocket. I did that once with a very badly hairlined Trade dollar. It was a 76-P chopmarked Trade, which I purchased for next to nothing, but is actually pretty scarce. But I just could not stand the hairlines. After about 4-5 months in my pocket, most of the hairlines were gone, the coin dropped a grade from wear, but exactly as Crypto said, it had that shiny, polished look.

coolest · May 23, 2012 1:43PM

PCGS says: AU50

will photo when coin arrives

I never thought it would pass

michiganboy · May 23, 2012 1:49PM

Wow, big congratulations! Its always good to see someone get the grade they where hoping for.

mkman123 · May 23, 2012 1:50PM

wow oh wow.....so PCGS gave it a grade eh? THey missed the hairlines or ? Maybe NGC is grading more conservatively than PCGS?

MilkmanDan · May 23, 2012 1:58PM

<< PCGS says: AU50

will photo when coin arrives

I never thought it would pass >>

Wow nice score! Like I said above, I think NGC can be harder on trade dollars when it comes to potential problem coins . I also think PCGS gives the rare ones a break.

DDR · May 23, 2012 2:00PM

Wow, congratulations. I am glad that gamble paid off for you. Please post a photo when you can.

stealer · May 23, 2012 2:36PM

<< PCGS says: AU50

will photo when coin arrives

I never thought it would pass >>

Cha-ching!!

It didn't look too bad from the seller's photos.

I remember viewing that auction. If I wasn't using my parent's money I would've gone for the coin too

TennesseeDave · May 23, 2012 9:00PM

Well, it looks like the Trade $ experts at Pcgs gave you that ray of sunshine

Congrats and yeah,"YOU SUCK"

lcoopie · May 23, 2012 9:29PM

now I understand your forum name

kaz · May 23, 2012 9:33PM

Woo-hoo!

crypto79 · May 23, 2012 9:47PM

Wow, not what i would all a high end AU but still life favors the bold. YOU SUCK

lasvegasteddy · May 24, 2012 12:35AM

wow...what an upgrade you got there...

VMRCC · May 24, 2012 12:47AM

A ray of sunshine for you... and I'd be smiling too! Congrats!

crypto79 · May 24, 2012 1:25AM

That is at least a 4k change of opinion

123cents · May 24, 2012 1:52AM

I think you are deserving of the "You Suck" award.

MilkmanDan · May 24, 2012 1:57AM

Nice call in your OP calling it "50ish".

coolest · May 24, 2012 2:14AM

It makes me smile to hear I suck

sparky64 · May 24, 2012 3:31AM

<< Can any trade dollar experts offer me a ray of sunshine? >>

I'd say you just might be the expert now. Good job!

Justacommeman · May 24, 2012 3:50AM

The force is strong in this one.

You suck. MJ

VTCoins · May 24, 2012 5:12AM

Congrats on the upgrade! I sold you the coin on eBay. It was a consignment coin from an advanced collector/customer of mine.

After seeing the coin in hand, I would not have thought PCGS or NGC would give the coin a numerical grade.

Res · May 24, 2012 5:30AM

<< crack and submit, you have nothing to lose >>

Except a 100 bucks

or not

Banemorth · May 24, 2012 5:34AM

GREAT EYE and You suck.

TBH I liked the auction pictures too and the color of the coin. I don't know a lot about trade dollars though and wouldn't be willing to gamble the 2k+ on it!

Can any trade dollar experts offer me a ray of sunshine?

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