Have you ever held an R7?

lkeigwin · March 26, 2012 12:38PM

I am temporary custodian of this one. An 1825 CBH O.118 PCGS VF20. I'm told only four exist.

What's the rarest coin you've spent some time with?
Lance.

NewEnglandRarities · March 26, 2012 12:44PM

Over the years I have handled my share of R-7 and R-8 colonial coin die varieties. I have also been lucky enough to handle two unique (R-9) colonials including a unique die variety NJ Date Under Plow Beam, that was off the market since the 1950s.

It is really fun to be able to sit and study a major rarity that has graced so few cabinets since it was struck. Congrats on being a custodian of that beauty!

LanceNewmanOCC · March 26, 2012 12:45PM

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14.15

a few others, but probably under 10
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keets · March 26, 2012 12:47PM

i haven't owned any coins with that rarity but have owned and still own several R-6/R-7 Medals. not a criticism of your coin, but it'd be much cooler if it was an absolute rarity and not a marriage rarity. still cool, though. what's its story??

tydye · March 26, 2012 12:51PM

I owned this for a little over a year. I regret selling it but needed the money at the time

astrorat · March 26, 2012 12:57PM

1870-S three dollar gold piece ... unique (okay, two were rumored to be struck, but only one has ever been reported).

cmerlo1 · March 26, 2012 1:08PM

I cherrypicked a 1901-O Micro-O Morgan a few years ago. Only a few are known, and I've been told that the one I found is still the finest known. I know it's a counterfeit, but it's still cool. I also picked what was probably the 10th or 11th known 1878 VAM-123 Morgan dollar.

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Broadstruck · March 26, 2012 1:16PM

<< I know what an R-8 is, so what is an R-9? >>

The Sheldon Scale

R‑1 Common

R‑2 Not So Common

R‑3 Scarce

R‑4 Very Scarce (population est. at 76‑200)

R‑5 Rare (31‑75)

R‑6 Very Rare (13‑30)

R‑7 Extremely rare (4‑12)

R‑8 Unique or Nearly So (1, 2 or 3)

Rarity Scale for Hard Times Tokens

R-1 Common
R-2 Less Common
R-3 Scarce
R-4 Estimated 76-200 Specimens
R-5 Estimated 31-75 Specimens
R-6 Estimated 13-30 Specimens
R-7 Estimated 4-12 Specimens
R-8 Estimated 2 or 3 Specimens
R-9 Unique (only 1 known)

CWT - FULD RARITY SCALE
RARITY ESTIMATED NUMBER IN EXISTENCE
R - 1 Greater than 5000 (Very Common)
R - 2 2001 to 5000
R - 3 501 to 2000
R - 4 201 to 500
R - 5 76 to 200
R - 6 21 to 75
R - 7 11 to 20
R - 8 5 to 10
R - 9 2 to 4 (1 to 4 for Sutler Tokens)
R - 10 1 Only (N/A for Sutler Tokens)

Conder Token Scale:
Common: 200 and over
Scarce: 150
Rare: 75 or less
RR 30 and under
RRR: under 10
Unique: only one specimen

dogwood · March 26, 2012 1:27PM

PCGS AU53 1913s Quarter. For about a year.

MidLifeCrisis · March 26, 2012 1:35PM

1796 Myddelton Token in Copper - one of just a dozen or so known in this metal.

1722 Hibernia Halfpenny, Rocks Right - also with just 12 specimens traced in all grades combined.

airplanenut · March 26, 2012 1:48PM

I've spent some time with the 1933 double eagles, a copper 1794 dollar, aluminum cent, double-thick $20 high relief St. Gaudens pattern, the gold half unions... oh, did you mean own, or just have visitation rights?

Broadstruck · March 26, 2012 1:54PM

As an owner of many of R-7 to R-8's I'd just like to state that the rarity scales as a whole are entirely overrated and instantly obsolete once a number has been assigned in print.

On many occasions a not so common R-2 can be exceedingly tougher to locate then examples far higher on the rarity scale.

coindeuce · March 26, 2012 1:56PM

I briefly owned a double struck 1795 2 Leaves Flowing Hair Dollar. Steve Fischer almost fell out of his chair at a show when I offered it to him.

Still own one of the most rare Civil War Store Tokens, MI185A-2a. (R-8) One of 5 known to exist.

astrorat · March 26, 2012 2:17PM

<< I've spent some time with the 1933 double eagles, a copper 1794 dollar, aluminum cent, double-thick $20 high relief St. Gaudens pattern, the gold half unions... oh, did you mean own, or just have visitation rights? >>

Yes ... that was a fun time!

Mowgli · March 26, 2012 2:19PM

<< PCGS AU53 1913s Quarter. For about a year. >>

Now I own it.

notwilight · March 26, 2012 2:41PM

<< I know what an R-8 is, so what is an R-9? >>

I think R-9 means 0 exist. I actually own several of these.

astrorat · March 26, 2012 2:55PM

<< 

<< I know what an R-8 is, so what is an R-9? >>

I think R-9 means 0 exist. I actually own several of these.

>>

Yes ... and you have the most spectacular set of 100% clips ever assembled!

lkeigwin · March 26, 2012 3:13PM

I'm floored. I wish you guys had taken pictures.

I don't own the one in the OP. I just got to hang onto it a while. That's a little like owning it and selling it soon, right?
Lance.

TwoSides2aCoin · March 26, 2012 7:24PM

Yes, and unwittingly sold it for a quarter out of my "junk token box" to a collector, thus lending credence to Joni Mitchell's line : "ya don't know what you got 'til it's gone".

It was a Nebraska Token and worth about $100. But the point is I bought it for a dime, so it was a larger than usual mark-up

I don't usually make that much off of a buy.

STONE · March 26, 2012 9:20PM

I have a few in my collection...but those R8's are the real treats

shorecoll · March 26, 2012 9:36PM

I've owned some R-7 colonials, still own some R-6s. Own one unique CWT, only unique because it's an off-metal variant, but it's still cool.

PerryHall · March 26, 2012 9:55PM

<< I've spent some time with the 1933 double eagles.... >>

There are thirteen known examples so it's an R-6.

JCMhouston · March 26, 2012 10:15PM

I own a couple of British coins with total known of 5 or less.

crypto79 · March 26, 2012 11:30PM

I own the world's worst 1876s DDO Trade Dollar which has a tiny population, also a few of my trade dollar hub type coins are fabulously rare

Lakesammman · March 26, 2012 11:39PM

Here are a couple unique pieces in my territorial collection.

astrorat · March 26, 2012 11:40PM

<< Here are a couple unique pieces in my territorial collection.

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WOW!!!

keyman64 · March 27, 2012 12:15AM

Lance, that is very cool to be the custodian to a very old and rare coin.

I am the proud owner of a few R7s and R6s in the Mercury Dime Variety realm.

Based on PCGS POPS educated guesses of what else might exist for each one:

1928-S Large S FS-501 - 18 Graded - Owner of MS62FB w/3 finer. Probably an R3 coin
1929-S DDO FS-101 - 7 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS65FB. Probably an R6 coin
1931-D DDO FS-101 - 10 Graded - Owner of MS65FB w/1 finer. Probably an R6 coin
1931-S DDO FS-101 - 7 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS66FB. Probably an R6 coin
1936 DDO FS-101 - 4 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS65FB. Probably an R7 coin
1936-S FS-110 - 12 Graded - Owner of MS65FB w/4 finer. Probably an R5 coin
1937-S DDO FS-101 - 7 Graded - Owner of MS64 w/1 finer. Probably an R6 coin
1939 DDO FS-101 - 5 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS67 and MS66FB w/1 finer. Probably an R7 coin
1939-D/D RPM FS-501 - 3 Graded - Owner of a raw MS63/64FB w/1 finer that needs to visit PCGS. Probably an R7 coin
1940-S/S RPM FS-501 - 23 Graded - Owner of MS66 w/1 finer. Probably an R4 or R5 coin
1941-D DDO & DDR FS-101 - 21 Graded - Owner of MS66FB w/1 finer. Probably an R4 or R5 coin
1941-S Large S FS-511 - 16 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS65. Probably and R3 coin
1941-S/S RPM FS-501 - 22 Graded - Owner of MS62FB and MS65FB w/1 finer. Probably an R4 or R5 coin
1941-S/S RPM FS-502 - 8 Graded - Owner of MS64 and MS66 w/1 finer. Probably an R6 coin
1942-D/D RPD FS-501 - 6 Graded - Owner of raw AU and Top Pop MS64FB. Probably an R6 coin
1943-S Trumpet Tail Mintmark FS-511 - 20 Graded - Owner of MS66 w/1 finer. Probably an R4 or R5 coin
1943-S/S RPM FS-501 - 9 Graded - Owner of MS65FB w/2 finer. Probably an R5 or R6 coin
1944-D/D RPM FS-501 - 57 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS67FB. Probably an R3 coin
1945-D RPM FS-501 - 4 Graded - Owner of Top Pop MS66FB. Probably an R7 coin

I AM STILL LOOKING FOR:
1935-S/S RPM FS-501 - 4 Graded - Probably an R7 coin
1941 DDO FS-101 - 3 Graded - Probably an R7 coin
1945-D RPM FS-506 - 8 Graded - Probably an R6 coin
1945-S RPM FS-503 - 6 Graded - Probably an R6 coin...but maybe the toughest R6! There is ONLY 1 in MS and it is a MS60.

roadrunner · March 27, 2012 1:52AM

I held my first R7 coin back at the 1976 NY ANA show when Bill Grayson of B&B coin was displaying his gem 1873-cc NA quarter that he purchased out of the James Stack auction
for $90,000. At the time it was one of 5 or so known for the date/mint.

SaorAlba · March 27, 2012 2:01AM

US coins I own a rare pattern. Scottish I own half a dozen or so that there are less than five examples known.

TwoKopeiki · March 27, 2012 2:04AM

Not a US coin, but I do own a R-6/7 1814/3 8 Reales from Mexico with assayer initials HJ (Henrique B. Azorin & Joaquin Davila Madrid) instead of JJ (Joaquin Davila Madrid & Jose Garcia Ansaldo) who were the assayers for that year. Very neat coin that makes you wonder what would cause the use of the historic assayer combination.

19Lyds · March 27, 2012 2:37AM

<< I am temporary custodian of this one. An 1825 CBH O.118 PCGS VF20. I'm told only four exist.

What's the rarest coin you've spent some time with?
Lance. >>

I'm told only 1 exists of this one:

It's the one truly "rare" coin that I own.

keyman64 · March 27, 2012 2:52AM

Lee, that is just too cool!

IrishMikey · March 27, 2012 4:46AM

I handled one of the 1825 half dollars when it was still an R-8. I guess they have found enough of them
to drop it to R-7. Still a cool variety, and SO EASY to cherrypick, if you are ever fortunate enough to find
one.

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johnny9434 · March 27, 2012 5:22AM

i think an r 3. a 1856 indian head cent. unless my memory remember something else, till then its that

( it was a ms64 brown as well )

Shamika · March 27, 2012 5:31AM

I own a few coin boards that are R7 or R8 (sheldon scale).

jessewvu · March 27, 2012 5:33AM

What scale does PCGS coinfacts use? Their rarity scale goes to 10

PerryHall · March 27, 2012 5:43AM

<< i think an r 3. a 1856 indian head cent. unless my memory remember something else, till then its that

( it was a ms64 brown as well ) >>

Is it a pattern?

19Lyds · March 27, 2012 5:44AM

<< 

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<< I am temporary custodian of this one. An 1825 CBH O.118 PCGS VF20. I'm told only four exist.

What's the rarest coin you've spent some time with?
Lance. >>

I'm told only 1 exists of this one:

It's the one truly "rare" coin that I own. >>

What makes it rare? >>

One of a kind.

tahoe98 · March 27, 2012 5:47AM

<< 

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<< I am temporary custodian of this one. An 1825 CBH O.118 PCGS VF20. I'm told only four exist.

What's the rarest coin you've spent some time with?
Lance. >>

I'm told only 1 exists of this one:

It's the one truly "rare" coin that I own. >>

What makes it rare? >>

...DDO?

keyman64 · March 27, 2012 6:30AM

1971-S IKE:
1971-S Business Strike with a Type 2 Reverse
Linky for More Info

Very Cool.

kiyote · March 27, 2012 6:33AM

<< I know what an R-8 is, so what is an R-9? >>

The higher the scale the greater the odds were Sheldon was going to steal it.

PerryHall · March 27, 2012 7:09AM

<< 

<< I know what an R-8 is, so what is an R-9? >>

The higher the scale the greater the odds were Sheldon was going to steal it.

>>

......from the ANS collection.

gummibear · March 27, 2012 7:35AM

I own this 1871A 20 K from Austria. It is the only one known. This type is listed as reported not confirmed in Krause.

And I used to own this. It is the only known gold error coin from Sweden.

seanq · March 27, 2012 7:50AM

<< Have you ever held an R7? >>

I hold several of them every time I pick up my album of Memorial cent clips.

Sean Reynolds

BillJones · March 27, 2012 8:18AM

The die variety coin I own is an 1800 Bolender 20 silver dollar that is the plate coin from his book. Back then it was an R-7 or 8. Now it's probably a high R-4. The coin I have is still tied for the finest known.

The rarest I item is have is a die that was used to strike a rare Civil War token. Here is the die, which is unique and one of only three or four Civil War token dies known to the hobby.

And is an example of the token made from that die, which is, I think, and R-7 variety.

LanceNewmanOCC · March 27, 2012 8:31AM

<< 

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<< I am temporary custodian of this one. An 1825 CBH O.118 PCGS VF20. I'm told only four exist.

What's the rarest coin you've spent some time with?
Lance. >>

I'm told only 1 exists of this one:

It's the one truly "rare" coin that I own. >>

What makes it rare? >>

...DDO? >>

the answer is quite simple to find out, here it is

ambro51 · March 27, 2012 10:16AM

Well my 1837 feuchtwanger three cent Low 119 and Low 118 JMP counterstamp are both R7 and both are raw and yes I have "held them" and have been exceedingly nervous doing so!

JCB1983 · March 27, 2012 10:34AM

I've never handled a rare coin. An 1855 3 dollar gold piece and an XF-40 1942/1 I suppose. I can tell you that some of my Franklins have toning that are unlike any other coin in the entire world.

Mark · March 27, 2012 10:40AM

I bought the pattern above about 45 years ago, when I was a kid. I have to admit that I likely actually held that coin a lot back then. As a general design, the pattern in copper is an R-6. But this coin has a "high date" and as such is an R-8.

Have you ever held an R7?

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