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Are you a Coin Doctor?? Apparently some members think that I am.
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Using this definition of a Coin Doctor from another thread, would you be guilty???-----any person or persons who cause a coin to come into contact with ANY substance, or solution, with the intent of altering the coin's details, surface texture, luster, color, or reflectivity for the purpose of enhancing the perceived value of said coin should be considered a coin doctor.
I will be the first to admit my deeds. If you have ever done anything which technically fits the parameters of the definition will you sign into the thread???
Al H.
I will be the first to admit my deeds. If you have ever done anything which technically fits the parameters of the definition will you sign into the thread???
Al H.
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A few of my coins have come in contact with acetone and MS70, in order to remove harsh contaminents, followed by a healthy water rinse and air to dry...and PCGS has not cared one bit! They have even given them their blessing with pretty grades and holders.
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
I couldn't resist a dip.
Do I get a cigarette before I get shot?
"Inspiration exists, but it has to find you working" Pablo Picasso
acetone to remove an accidental fingerprint.
works great.
<< <i>Using this definition of a Coin Doctor from another thread, would you be guilty???-----any person or persons who cause a coin to come into contact with ANY substance, or solution, with the intent of altering the coin's details, surface texture, luster, color, or reflectivity for the purpose of enhancing the perceived value of said coin should be considered a coin doctor.
I will be the first to admit my deeds. If you have ever done anything which technically fits the parameters of the definition will you sign into the thread???
Al H. >>
Key words bolded. I have at time used acetone on coins. I wouldn't consider bathing a coin in acetone as coin doctoring. Acetone is used to remove foreign matter rather than altering the coin itself.
Most, if not all are not.
Acetone has less effect directly on a coins surface than does oxygen. It washes, not reacts to.
"Keep your malarkey filter in good operating order" -Walter Breen
And anyone who insists on "blast white" coins has many, many dipped coins in their collection. Except you of course.
I've dipped with sudsy ammonia, Jewelustre, and acetone.
Just coincidence this is on a Sunday, no matter, I confess, I abuse Acetone.......
And I am very good at what I do!
Joe.
Acetone is used to remove foreign matter rather than altering the coin itself.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Oh, and I've even tested abrasives like tooth paste on junk, silver-tarnished Roosies! Works pretty good on ridding the tarnish, but creates god-only knows how many hair lines!
Guess my past practices "enhancing" coin surfaces makes me a "Coin Dr., Extraordinaire"!
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you can put me in this crowd too...
i'd be a rich one too if i could figuire out the silver eagle milk spot problem
keets...this is absurd kindergarden type of stuff...i swear
i look at some corroded-pitted-enviromental damage done by thos whose pride prevents them from "conserving a coin's life"
lords know's pvc only grows like verdigus
strike if i'm wrong but some coins sent in for spot review can fall under doctoring by pcgs themselves...ngc even has ncs
bunch of over inflated ego's want to think there better by not saving a coin then those who do...let um be i say
Definitely had to learn how to remove black grease from many of the dates pulled from original rolls...esp. the 195X groups
Dipped quite a few coins with Jeweluster, MS70 etc when they NEEDED it...it worked miracles on removing and/or preventing further damage from
many enviromental and storage issues.
I did experiment with some of the chemicals that were discussed on the forums as being part of Coin Docs "toolbox" if you will
I felt that it provided me with an excellent education to what was clearly AT, and what was perhaps "market acceptable"
Never did it to rip anyone off , it was important for me to learn these things since it was in this time period that so many
"wildly" toned coins started coming into the market from questionable sources....saved myself a lot of money and frustration.
Greg
Hi Al
<< <i>I carved up a 1944-D with my pocketknife in order to get a "1914-D" once. And I did it on purpose.
There's a difference between a coin doctor and a counterfeiter.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
i am a Coin Doctor who believes in addition by subtraction if indeed i am a Coin Doctor at all. i don't believe that i am.
<< <i>i am a strange sort of Coin Doctor who has resisted all the forum educational experiments... everything i've done has been an attempt not to "add" something to a coin but, rather, to remove something which didn't need to be there and was a potential danger down the road someday.
i am a Coin Doctor who believes in addition by subtraction if indeed i am a Coin Doctor at all. i don't believe that i am. >>
Good explanation and good point.
I thought it was for a good cause and the health of the coin.
I have dipped, dunked, soaked in Olive oil and or distilled water for ancients. I have used solutions of ammonia for the removal of PVC in a collection that had been buried under ground. I have used and by some accounts even abused prodects that come in a little brown bottle- on copper.....
and I thought that I was 'helping' with the application of this tonic.... Helping a poor unfortunate copper cent that by no fault of its own had been stricken with corrosive verdigis disease. I have soaked diseased victims in acetone in an effort to 'cleanse' their filthy skin as well.
I am a multiple substance user by most accounts!!!!
I have NEVER though, used cosmetic surgery or tonics to artifically age a patient ( ehhh...coin) or patch up their injuries, though i do confess to leaving a piece that had been over-dipped, on a window sill, in the hopes to bring some natural color back into their pale complexion...
Yes, I AM guilty!!! And, I am a sinner!!!
I guess this is a perfect case of denial.....and that the road to Hell is paved in good intentions
Happy, humble, honored and proud recipient of the “You Suck” award 10/22/2014
What time and where do we report for the firing squad?
Recipient of the coveted "You Suck" award, April 2009 for cherrypicking a 1833 CBHD LM-5, and April 2022 for a 1835 LM-12, and again in Aug 2012 for picking off a 1952 FS-902.
In fact in the late 80's I wrote a little ditty entitled "Confessions of a Coin Doctor" and sent a copy to PCGS.
A week later I got a letter back from HRH himself, asking if I might consider working for PCGS! (I still have that letter)
<< <i>I'm a goner. >>
Get a second opinion, all is not lost.
I've used Ezest mixed with 100% isopropyl alcohol or distilled water to remove haze and acetone from time to time for errant fingerprints.
Heck, I've even taken some cull silver and exposed them to "less than ideal" environments, just to see what would happen.
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Are you a Coin Doctor?? Apparently some members think that I am.
...i always thought you only played one on TV!
I bought a bottle of MS70 once to experiment. Ruined some brown unc common wheaties. Now they're all blue and purple.
Empty Nest Collection
<< <i>Acetone and olive oil, but not for a while.
I bought a bottle of MS70 once to experiment. Ruined some brown unc common wheaties. Now they're all blue and purple. >>
When using MS70 on mid to upper end Mint State silver coins, I have had great success. I would be very hesitant to use it on anything else. I would never use it on a coin that has seen circulation or on a coin with an impaired surface (Copper that has turned brown) etc.
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
I don't want to us overly harsh chemicals that will etch the surfaces and absolutely no abrasives.
Mild but effective treatment that will result in my dug buffalo and v-nickels looking almost like regular is what i am looking for.
The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.
Albert Einstein (14 March 1879--18 April 1955)
So, when you pick up a coin and say, looks like it was dipped long ago, that was probably me fondling and then gently dipping and rinsing your prize coin.
residues like fingerprints or sneezes, etc.
I have used MS70 on proof coins with haze and have contemplated using MS70 on an 1884cc
that is in a GSA pack at the moment. It is DMPL except for the haze. Having no experience
on non proof coins I have hesitated, for about a year, popping it out of the black UNC case
and doing the deed. Don't know if the results will be better or not.
bob
Tried toning a few coins in my time with terrible results.
I'm a Doctor!!
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Most of the time when you ADD something to the surface, that is coin doctoring. Also, I believe most consider removing metal (i.e. lasering, removing a mintmark, lasering off hairlines or lasering in FB or FBL) to be coin doctoring.
The "grey area" is dipping (i.e. "Jeweluster") and toning coins in an album or envelope. The reality is, if such activity does not ruin the coin, then it becomes "market acceptable coin doctoring".
It's the ATer's and puttiers that are the most reviled in the hobby.Pure profit motive is the driving force.These people only care about fattening their wallet not the person they stick the coin they worked on with.These kinds of coin doctors are in the same category as counterfeiters.The business is fooling people for their money.
I'm just trying to make my nickels look a little better.If that makes me a coin doctor to some,so be it.
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Now,if I were to want to sell some of my dug nickels,I would disclose the fact that the nickels were dug and subsequently treated to make them appear more like regular, "unlost" nickels.
Nickels that have been in the ground a long time almost always have surface etching that is easily seen with a 10x loupe.My goal is mainly to remove the darkness so that the date,mintmark,if any,and other features can be more easily seen.
Thanks for the suggestion about using sonic jewelery cleaner on my nickels,Klif50.I'll experiment with a few dark Jeffersons and see if I get acceptable results before using on my buffs,v's and shields.
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