1836 5c is it genuine ?

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:18AM

At first glance it's nice , but why isnt the Liberty showing on the cap when everything else looks very detailed ? A few things look a bit off but i'll defer to the experts.

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JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:29AM

The Liberty on the cap is weird i thought , why isnt it crystal clear when everything else is ? Also the A of America is out in the middle of nowhere. I ask because i dropped out of the bidding , i was too uncertain.

coinkid855 · March 6, 2012 5:30AM

I vote real, with environmental damage.

-Paul

DIMEMAN · March 6, 2012 5:33AM

I wonder if that "A" placement is a variety indicater ?

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:36AM

What are your thoughts on the Liberty cap Dimeman ? It looks like someone scratched it on more than its impressed into silver to me.

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MrHalfDime · March 6, 2012 5:36AM

This coin has all (or most) of the diagnostics of the LM-3/V4 die marriage. Stars 4 and 5 are closer together, there is evidence of the 3 over inverted 3 in the date, IT are close at top, and the O of OF is low. I would have expected to see dramatic repunching of the U of UNITED, but it is perhaps there, on the right upright. It is an early die state, before the obverse bisecting die crack developed from the rim at the top, down through the cap and hair. I've never paid particular attention to the fact that some of the letters in LIBERTY are weak, but even in the Logan/McCloskey plate coin ERTY is weak. I don't see any reason to question its authenticity, at least from those pictures.

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JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:38AM

Thanks everyone , perhaps i should have stuck with it , theres always a next time : )

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:38AM

<< This is a common die marriage, no reason to buy it raw, can easily procure one slabbed by our host cheap. >>

Thats what i'll do Realone , thanks for the idea.

MsMorrisine · March 6, 2012 5:39AM

no reason to buy with that much PVC.

poor thing does need rescuing though.

MrHalfDime · March 6, 2012 5:44AM

Regarding the first A of AMERICA (A2), remember, first, that all of the letters in the legend were punched into the individual working dies by hand at this point in the Mint's history. Precise placement of the letters tended to vary from one die to another (thank goodness for die marriage collectors!!). Also, the A letter punch was damaged by this time in the Capped Bust series, and before another A punch could be made, the A's were 'repaired' at the upper left diagonal section, above the horizontal to the top. Look closely at A1 (STATES), A2 (first A in AMERICA), and A3 (last A in AMERICA) and you can see this same anomaly.

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:46AM

You are right about that MsM , I didnt see the PVC until i blew the pics up for my purpose here.Sellers pics are considerably smaller.

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 5:48AM

<< Regarding the first A of AMERICA (A2), remember, first, that all of the letters in the legend were punched into the individual working dies by hand at this point in the Mint's history. Precise placement of the letters tended to vary from one die to another (thank goodness for die marriage collectors!!). Also, the A letter punch was damaged by this time in the Capped Bust series, and before another A punch could be made, the A's were 'repaired' at the upper left diagonal section, above the horizontal to the top. Look closely at A1 (STATES), A2 (first A in AMERICA), and A3 (last A in AMERICA) and you can see this same anomaly. >>

Thank you for that Mr Halfdime , my printer is going to run out of ink at the rate im soliciting and recieving expert advice , i really appreciate it , thanks everyone : )

commoncents05 · March 6, 2012 5:51AM

The PVC is not an issue for this piece, acetone would easily take it off.

-Paul

291fifth · March 6, 2012 6:47AM

It looks like it was dug up and cleaned.

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 6:49AM

<< It looks like it was dug up and cleaned. >>

Theres that term again "dug up" , i heard it in the last coin pic i posted too , what exactly is prompting this idea ?

291fifth · March 6, 2012 7:38AM

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<< It looks like it was dug up and cleaned. >>

Theres that term again "dug up" , i heard it in the last coin pic i posted too , what exactly is prompting this idea ? >>

The surfaces appear to be granular due to corrosion.

magikbilly · March 6, 2012 7:42AM

I thought "dug" too but know nothing of this series. LM?? If this was dug he'll dig it

(and tell us)

Eric

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 7:42AM

Thats an interesting observation , im surprised in that it wasn't picked up earlier and there's a reason im asking.Its the same dude selling both coins that got the dug up comment and ive a very good reson to think it highly unlikely so what in heck is he doing to these coins.
Dug up and PVC isnt jiving for me.

magikbilly · March 6, 2012 7:55AM

<< That's an interesting observation , I'm surprised in that it wasn't picked up earlier and there's a reason I'm asking.Its the same dude selling both coins that got the dug up comment and I've a very good reason to think it highly unlikely so what in heck is he doing to these coins.
Dug up and PVC isn't jibing for me. >>

Well, whatever it is I am not liking it. Kinds looks like chemicals too on a dug coin? Electrolysis? I have no idea. If dug, LordMarcovan of the Grand High Holy Vest will know sure.

Eric

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 8:02AM

We can forget this dug idea , unless this guy regularly finds US coins in the English soil which is why im saying unlikely.

magikbilly · March 6, 2012 8:20AM

<< We can forget this dug idea , unless this guy regularly finds US coins in the English soil which is why im saying unlikely. >>

Yes, me too, so I am hoping he will have some of the other possibilities ready to rattle off. He is a smart guy!

Eric

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JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 11:06AM

I agree entirely realone , however my curiosity is bugging me as the last coin i put up got a similar comment.I notice a lot of this guys coins have that same look.Let me show you a quarter he sold.

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 11:11AM

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JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 11:51AM

I dont suppose it does , would it surprise you the 5c sold for 99c and the 25c for $2 ?

magikbilly · March 6, 2012 11:56AM

<< So lets for get about any dug up theories... >>

<< But whether they were all dug, who knows, and frankly I don't think it really matters much. >>

-RO

<< We can forget this dug idea , unless this guy regularly finds US coins in the English soil which is why im saying unlikely. >>- JM

<<Yes, me too, so I am hoping he will have some of the other possibilities ready to rattle off>-EL

I did not think we were saying it was dug? But rather, some other thing or treatment, perhaps something LM had seen.

Eric

JamesMurray · March 6, 2012 12:11PM

A "looks dug" comment came up earlier in the thread Bill and the last coin i put up got the same comment albeit from a different member.I latched onto that because i thought it unlikely as the seller is in england and has a short history of these coins out of nowhere apparantly , sold models before.

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BillJones · March 7, 2012 12:50AM

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The 1894-O quarter is either a dug up coin or a counterfeit. I'd lean more toward dug up, but I'm not 100% sure.

The 1867 nickel is corroded. Nickel turns black when it corrodes; copper often turns green. Since these coins contain 88% copper, that’s why you will some green on them from time to time.

All of these coins look like something that was either dug up via metal detector, or perhaps they were in box that got wet and stayed that way for a long time. Maybe they were in box that was buried in the ground. At any rate they all damaged coins, and would fall into the pejorative classification as “junk” for many collectors.

I have one other comment about the “LIBERTY” on the Bust half dime. I’ve noticed that when I have looked at these coins with a strong glass that the “LIBERTY” coin become indiscernible when you get very close to its design elements. It’s kind of like the old saying about “losing the forest for the trees.” The reason is that the design elements that make up the word are wide and large for the coin. It’s not the thin letters that were used on a seated or Barber coin.

1836 5c is it genuine ?

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