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If you purchase a raw coin on ebay and send it in for grading and it comes back as BB for being a counterfeit do you have grounds to get your money back from the ebay seller?
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(besides being against eBay policy)
so, the answer is yes.
<< <i>Is it really as cut and dry as a big yes ? The seller could claim the raw coin isnt the one he sold..end of,and what if its outside the 45 days ? I agree in a perfect world its returnable but its ebay we are talking about and all that implies. >>
I agree, especially if the coin is no longer in the original holder I think the eBay seller has a leg up on the buyer by saying that there is no guarantee it is the same coin.
<< <i>Is it really as cut and dry as a big yes ? The seller could claim the raw coin isnt the one he sold..end of,and what if its outside the 45 days ? I agree in a perfect world its returnable but its ebay we are talking about and all that implies. >>
What if you saved the eBay listing with the seller's pics showing marks and toning patterns that exactly match the coin that PCGS wouldn't authenticate? Will paypal get you a refund? Would you credit card company get your money back?
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<< <i>Is it really as cut and dry as a big yes ? The seller could claim the raw coin isnt the one he sold..end of,and what if its outside the 45 days ? I agree in a perfect world its returnable but its ebay we are talking about and all that implies. >>
What if you saved the eBay listing with the seller's pics showing marks and toning patterns that exactly match the coin that PCGS wouldn't authenticate? Will paypal get you a refund? Would you credit card company get your money back? >>
There was a thread here Perry talking about how ebay takes the pictures down after the auction. I dont know how true that is as i am not on it enough to pay attention.My point being if thats the case or the seller hosts his own pics and takes them down it might be a problem proving its the same picture the seller put up..a screen grab would work i guess but who's going to do that for every auction they win. I get your point though , i think i would do that with an expensive item.
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<< <i>Is it really as cut and dry as a big yes ? The seller could claim the raw coin isnt the one he sold..end of,and what if its outside the 45 days ? I agree in a perfect world its returnable but its ebay we are talking about and all that implies. >>
What if you saved the eBay listing with the seller's pics showing marks and toning patterns that exactly match the coin that PCGS wouldn't authenticate? Will paypal get you a refund? Would you credit card company get your money back? >>
There was a thread here Perry talking about how ebay takes the pictures down after the auction. I dont know how true that is as i am not on it enough to pay attention.My point being if thats the case or the seller hosts his own pics and takes them down it might be a problem proving its the same picture the seller put up..a screen grab would work i guess but who's going to do that for every auction they win. I get your point though , i think i would do that with an expensive item. >>
If one buys an expensive raw coin off eBay I would think that if they want it slabbed they should do so right away. As a last resort I think a credit card charge back would be in order assuming the seller won't take the coin back or paypal won't help you. This question is a good reminder why buying slabbed coins off eBay makes the most sense.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
<< <i>E-bay will not help you if it has been over 90 days. >>
Are you sure?
peacockcoins
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<< <i>E-bay will not help you if it has been over 90 days. >>
Ebay will refund your money. They may require that you send them a pic of it destroyed
as they did for me. I did not send the coin back to the seller. I got my refund no problem
and just had to explain the situation.
But, talk to the seller first. Explain yourself, politely via messages. Then if no help proceed
to Ebay/Paypal for your help.
bob
<< <i>do any TPGs actually state firmly that it's counterfeit? I thought all I've seen was something like "uncertain authenticity" or ??? >>
I think that's correct , as far as a PCGS BB goes anyway , i have one here and its little more than a clear flip and blue tag that says "questionable authenticity"
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<< <i>do any TPGs actually state firmly that it's counterfeit? I thought all I've seen was something like "uncertain authenticity" or ??? >>
I think that's correct , as far as a PCGS BB goes anyway , i have one here and its little more than a clear flip and blue tag that says "questionable authenticity" >>
It is worded that way as PCGS can not return it to you if they state it is a counterfiet, they are required by law to turn it in to the Secert Service IIRC.
<< <i>do any TPGs actually state firmly that it's counterfeit? I thought all I've seen was something like "uncertain authenticity" or ??? >>
Some coins NGC does state as not genuine, some would state as QA. Like this one:
Date/Info: (1901-08) CHINA SZECHUAN L&M-345A Y-238.1
Denomination: S$1
Grade: NOT GENUINE
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<< <i>E-bay will not help you if it has been over 90 days. >>
Are you sure? >>
See the details in this thread but E-bay basically told me that all I could do was to press charges on the seller after they refused to refund my money. The seller said that Pcgs says Questionable and that does not mean 100% fake. I used pay-pal,but was not a credit card but a atm/bank card so I could not get refunded that way. I still have that coin which one expert says he thinks it could be real.