Unreal Toning

Absolution · February 22, 2012 1:24AM

Ok need an opinion. This coin looks soooo unreal lol. I did the checks to make sure it was not reslabbed etc. and it was from a respected seller but still looks fake. Is this even possible? In the middle of the front there is no toning, the shine on the right is just the sunlight reflection (sorry took bad shot) but the color toning on this is toooo perfect. Anyways co-worker who got me into coins showed me this recent purchase he made and we were wondering what the PCGS boards thinks.

Outhaul · February 22, 2012 1:28AM

I have seen PCGS, et. al. both reject and accept that exact toning. So, a submission is a crap shoot.

Cheers,

Bob

oneor11 · February 22, 2012 1:32AM

Looks totally artificial to me. But then I'm biased. I think most colored toning out there is artificial.

Jacob

ColonialCoinUnion · February 22, 2012 1:40AM

However it was created, it was deemed market acceptable at the time it was submitted.

coinsarefun · February 22, 2012 2:00AM

Real.....nuf said

Time and time again ASE's are subjected to this.

There are toning breaks...........................just like a Morgan.
There is a line or band.............................just like a Morgan.
There is the correct color progression......just like a Morgan.

On and on and on..........

Granted there are AT ASE's out the re just as there are AT Morgans and other coins

Here is my ASE with a line in it

Tiny · February 22, 2012 2:21AM

These were sent across the street and came back Detailed. Cracked and sent to our host came back these grades
to which I feel are correct. ASEs tone in a different way than any other silver coin.

MilkmanDan · February 22, 2012 2:34AM

Not much more to say here, the pics above answer your question.

JCMhouston · February 22, 2012 3:17AM

I'd have to agree with the guys ATS, the first one looks "enhanced" to me.

baccaruda · February 22, 2012 3:24AM

Looks natural to me - as long as you consider "natural" to mean that the owner took no steps to protect the coin from toning. Morgans toned the same way. In bags, in drawers, in albums - but no one calls those AT because the owners didn't encapsulate them in air-tight holders. Leave a 99.999% silver coin out on a desk for 5 years and 100 of 100 will tone. 5 of 100 might be very appealing.

If you like it, that's what matters.

PCcoins · February 22, 2012 3:28AM

I believe the OP coin to be market acceptable, pure silver tones much faster and easier than 90% silver.

So if you just leave an ASE in a wood desk it will tone rather quickly compared to 90%, but that doesn't mean the coin would tone vivid rainbow colors. I don't understand the premiums for toned ASE's IMO.

fivecents · February 22, 2012 3:36AM

.999 silver bullion coins can tone more radically than 90% silver coins. ASEs will naturally tone in true Jerry Garcia colors.

rhedden · February 22, 2012 4:02AM

ASEs are one area of numismatics in which I prefer blast-white, untoned coins over any heavily toned example. I just can't shake the feeling that any deeply toned ASE was deliberately placed in a sulfur-rich environment to generate color and make a profit for the person who did it.

LanceNewmanOCC · February 22, 2012 7:08AM

<< <i>ASEs are one area of numismatics in which I prefer blast-white, untoned coins over any heavily toned example. I just can't shake the feeling that any deeply toned ASE was deliberately placed in a sulfur-rich environment to generate color and make a profit for the person who did it. >>

i'd really enjoy seeing coins like these in a shield holder
.

kryptonitecomics · February 23, 2012 12:59AM

Since I was the original seller on ebay let me state....the coin in hand looks like thousands of others I have seen in NGC and PCGS holders. It doesn't look any more natural or unnatural then any of the other super rainbow toned ASE's floating around for the past decade. It all has to do with storage and the pure silver content. Obviously this coin hasn't been sitting in a cointain in an inert environment which would normally prevent toning but we can't automatically assume that some one put this in a hot plate with garlic and onions either

Here are the accurate images from the auction....the color was quite nice and I found the coin above average in terms of eye appeal

nwcoast · February 23, 2012 2:52AM

<< <i>ASEs are one area of numismatics in which I prefer blast-white, untoned coins over any heavily toned example. I just can't shake the feeling that any deeply toned ASE was deliberately placed in a sulfur-rich environment to generate color and make a profit for the person who did it. >>

My sentiment exactly....

coinkid855 · February 23, 2012 2:54AM

<< <i>These were sent across the street and came back Detailed. Cracked and sent to our host came back these grades
to which I feel are correct. ASEs tone in a different way than any other silver coin.

>>

I recognize a few of those!

-Paul

Pokermandude · February 23, 2012 2:58AM

I love toners, but for some reason I have never liked the look of any toned ASEs. They might mostly be market acceptable, but not my cup of tea.

ricko · February 23, 2012 3:15AM

Cheers, RickO

Bochiman · February 23, 2012 3:15AM

I liked them blast white as well, when I first started collecting them. Then, after a few years, and hundreds of SAEs (many slabbed, many more raw), I got really tired of what looked the exact same except for the date. At that point, I started to appreciate the ones that had started toning in the albums/after market holders, or when people posted the PCI toned examples.

Now, I appreciate the toned (NT) original looking pieces more.

drwstr123 · February 23, 2012 3:24AM

PCGS MS68:

Now..if you tweak the white balance a bit...

Bochiman · February 23, 2012 3:27AM

Love the PCI toning on that 2nd '86

Has anyone else noticed the different surfaces over the years on these?
They tone slightly differently from it as well, from what I have seen.

coinsarefun · February 23, 2012 4:32AM

Hi Shane, I watched that auction and agree your images, without seeing it in hand are more like it would look.
Its a beautiful coin with outstanding toning....the winner was lucky I didn't have the dough or it would have been mine

<< <i>Since I was the original seller on ebay let me state....the coin in hand looks like thousands of others I have seen in NGC and PCGS holders. It doesn't look any more natural or unnatural then any of the other super rainbow toned ASE's floating around for the past decade. It all has to do with storage and the pure silver content. Obviously this coin hasn't been sitting in a cointain in an inert environment which would normally prevent toning but we can't automatically assume that some one put this in a hot plate with garlic and onions either

Here are the accurate images from the auction....the color was quite nice and I found the coin above average in terms of eye appeal

>>

clevegreg · February 23, 2012 4:52AM

I was wondering what ever happened to that coin.......

Tiny · February 23, 2012 4:56AM

Now Paul, Was it those our these, the ones I still need to send in

Aw yes, Dansco Holders wonderful little things

clevegreg · February 23, 2012 5:24AM

It had nothing to do with a Dansco.....

Absolution · February 23, 2012 1:07PM

Thanks everyone for your feedback! My coworker and I are especially impressed Kryptonite you recognized it right away and commented on it. My coworker is the one who won the coin (he got me into coin collecting). Hey if you are reading this (you probably are) JOIN THE PCGS FORUMS! lol. You have a great collection of coins, I'm always impressed by your selections.

Anyways, adding Kryptonite to my favorite sellers. The coin looks great!

Unreal Toning

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