~~~ Lord Marcovan's Jefferson Nickel Circulation Set (Batch 2 results posted) ~~~

lordmarcovan · February 15, 2012 5:56PM

This simple set is just for cheap kicks.

I'm going to work on a Jefferson nickel collection in two inexpensive blue Whitman folders, which will hold coins up to 1995.

Here's the twist: no purchases, no swaps, and no gifts.

This set will be assembled strictly from circulation, using only coins I buy out of the till at work for face value, or find in rolls from the bank.

A cheapo challenge. Will I ever finish it? Not for years, most likely ... if ever. But let's see how far I can get.

And hey, how many other ways can you think of to build a collection of coins and spend only five cents apiece for 'em, right?

Here's my grand total since the project began, as of of Batch #2, on 2/28/12.

lordmarcovan · February 15, 2012 6:01PM

I put the 14th down as my start date 'cause that's when I got the folders. I'll probably buy my first rolls today.

I've had reasonable luck in the past, and have found a 1939-S but no '39-D, gotten a few errors including a double clip, and in one freaky instance I found an MS65 Gem BU 1940 mixed in with a roll of new-ish 1992-P coins. Another time I hit somewhere between four and six rolls of early Jeffies that were almost solid War nickels, at a convenience store. And I've found four Buffaloes (1920, 1937-D, and two dateless).

But that's been a while back, though. My roll searching heyday was in the early '90s.

Let's see what I can accomplish in hunting wild Jeffies in a 21st century habitat.

Barberian · February 15, 2012 6:09PM

Great idea for a thread. This should be fun to follow. First thing I'd do is go to that convenience store again.

lordmarcovan · February 15, 2012 6:24PM

That convenience store lick would've happened around 1997 or so. It was strange. I bought some snacks and got two dirty black war nickels in change. Since there were two, it clued me in that we might have a hidden streak of 'em in the till. So I asked the cashier, and sure enough, there were maybe five or six more in the drawer there. So then I started asking about where the rolls were coming from. The guy was indulgent, and decided to help me investigate.

This store had one of those security timers on the safe so it would only spit out a roll or two every ten minutes or something like that, but I didn't mind the wait because I searched what I had in the downtime while waiting for each new roll to pop out. I think it was something like six rolls in the end. There were no Buffaloes- those four I mentioned before had happened in '92 (a 1920 and two dateless in one roll and then a single Fine '37-D from a Pepsi machine a little while later).

The hoard I ended up with from the convenience store was pretty much all pre-1958, as I recall, and very heavy on War nickels (maybe 80%). Even so, there was not a complete date and mintmark subset of them- they were mostly 1943-P. The odd thing was that all the coins were blackish and a little sticky, as though they'd been in motor oil. Since this was on an island and we live near the coast and there are several marinas around, I developed a pet theory that the coins had been stashed in the bilge of somebody's old boat. I'd seen bilgewater coins before.

I guess I'll refer to that as The Bilgewater Hoard.

Wonder if I'll hit any more pockets of fun like that again. It's been a decade and a half. I still do turn up the occasional early Jeff at work, though, which is why I've been percolating over this idea for a while, and only needed to get myself some inexpensive folders in order to begin.

relicsncoins · February 15, 2012 6:27PM

Jeffersons, are the only denomination still in circulation that with some patience and searching, you can put together a complete set from circulation.

ricko · February 15, 2012 9:13PM

Interesting project... have not thought about a circulation set in a long time, but Jeffersons could work. Good luck, Cheers, RickO

erwindoc · February 16, 2012 1:20AM

You should be able to complete this one with time. I have several that I have completed this way. I always have trouble with finding a circulated 50D and some of the 50's era P mintmarks. I also see less and less silver with each box I search. I would suggest a couple of albums cause you are going to find lots of nickels from the pre-60s era and likely a few buffalos roaming around too! Lately I have found some VF pieces with each box.

MonteCarlo · February 16, 2012 1:32AM

Lord M,
I can attest to the fact that completing this set solely out of circulation is entirely possible. I did it, but it took close to 9 years. Of course, I wasn't religiously scouring a hundred rolls each week. I would regularly pick up 10-20 rolls each time I needed to make a trip to the bank. I also saved what I found in change from the store, vending machines, etc. It's a fun way to collect for the CHALLENGE of collecting.

Best of luck to you, and you CAN do this.

baddogss · February 16, 2012 1:55AM

A friend and I bought a box of nickels from the local bank and two sets of folders from Books A Million.
We just about completed the two sets of nickel folders from that box in a single night.

Since then I have finished my folder set and completed a AU-MS Dansco album with proof only issues.

It was a lot of fun, and affordable. Go for it, and have fun.

TorinoCobra71 · February 16, 2012 2:03AM

Whats up with all the TILDEs and ASTERISKs in ALL of your thread titles?

Attention Hungry?

SamByrd · February 16, 2012 2:03AM

good set. The only coins I did not find ever were the 39 d and the 50 p and d. Here in the west the 71 p was tough for whatever reason as well.

lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 2:05AM

<< We just about completed the two sets of nickel folders from that box in a single night. >>

Wow! How much is a "box", anyway? I forget. $200?

Your folders- were they the "Collection #1" earlier folder, too? The 1938-61? If so, you did really well!

It seems a lot of dirty work for little financial gain, but I think it will help to keep me grounded as to what true collecting is. The thrill of the hunt is what it's really about, not the monetary return. True collecting is a labor of love, and an avenue to bliss with much less stress, I guess.

Far too many of us (myself included) are out of touch with that these days, but there ARE diehard traditionalists among us, I know. I remember how before the Internet took off I used to be pen-pals and trading partners with Sam Petry, the esteemed "Cladking". And his letters (always written in block printing like I do, usually on graph paper, with cool obsolete stamps on the envelopes) were always a delight and educational. Sam, if you read this, I tip my hat to you and welcome your input here.

lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 2:06AM

<< Whats up with all the TILDEs and ASTERISKs in ALL of your thread titles? >>

Just a little trademark quirk of mine I use to denote major threads and/or collection projects.

You do NOT see them in ALL of my thread titles, or there'd be asterisks and tildes fluttering around everywhere.

Edit- why? Is it annoying? If so, I guess I could lose the special characters and mark my major threads and collections in ALL CAPS, but that also runs the risk of being annoying. And besides, they help me in keyword searches (since the Advanced Search feature here won't work with Chrome). All I have to do is search with a tilde as a keyword and I can usually unearth my neglected or forgotten old brain-droppings.

Besides, it looks festive, sorta like a garland of flowers or somethin'.

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baddogss · February 16, 2012 2:13AM

<< 

<< We just about completed the two sets of nickel folders from that box in a single night. >>

Wow! How much is a "box", anyway? I forget. $200?

Your folders- were they the "Collection #1" earlier folder, too? The 1938-61? If so, you did really well!

It seems a lot of dirty work for little financial gain, but I think it will help to keep me grounded as to what true collecting is. The thrill of the hunt is what it's really about, not the monetary return. True collecting is a labor of love, and an avenue to bliss with much less stress, I guess.

Far too many of us (myself included) are out of touch with that these days, but there ARE diehard traditionalists among us, I know. I remember how before the Internet took off I used to be pen-pals and trading partners with Sam Petry, the esteemed "Cladking". And his letters (always written in block printing like I do, usually on graph paper, with cool obsolete stamps on the envelopes) were always a delight and educational. Sam, if you read this, I tip my hat to you and welcome your input here. >>

If I recall correctly the box of nickels was $100.
We bought the H.E. Harris and Company folders, three folders for the complete set.
Sat at the kitchen table for few hours, with my buddy, and my wife helped too.
Had few brewski's and it was dirty, our hands were covered with gunk by the time we were done.

TorinoCobra71 · February 16, 2012 2:16AM

<< 

<< Whats up with all the TILDEs and ASTERISKs in ALL of your thread titles? >>

Just a little trademark quirk of mine I use to denote major threads and/or collection projects.

You do NOT see them in ALL of my thread titles, or there'd be asterisks and tildes fluttering around everywhere.

Edit- why? Is it annoying? If so, I guess I could lose the special characters and mark my major threads and collections in ALL CAPS, but that also runs the risk of being annoying. And besides, they help me in keyword searches (since Advanced Search feature here won't work with Chrome). All I have to do is search with a tilde as a keyword and I can usually unearth my neglected or forgotten old brain-droppings. >>

I am YANKING YOUR CHAIN, Rob, hence the

!!!!!!!

lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 2:18AM

Ah.

Well, in THAT case, this one's for you, TC71.

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lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 2:19AM

<< Attention Hungry? >>

You betcha.

Always.

(Got yours, though, didn't I?)

Walkerguy21D · February 16, 2012 2:29AM

Sounds like a fun project, Rob.
I have a large can packed with pre-1960 nickels I've saved for decades.
I let a YN dig through it once for his 'circulation' set.
If I ever make it up to Brunswick GA, I'll be sure to seed the local economy with these!

GoldClause · February 16, 2012 3:18AM

My boss seemed fascinated one day with a couple of "old nickels" he got in change. They were from the 40's. I gave him a brief education about nickels and he seemed interested.

So, I bought him a 1938-1961 Whitman folder as a token Christmas gift in 2010 and everytime I run across an old nickel in change, I give it to him for his folder which he keeps in his office. A couple of other people I work with also contribute when they run across an old nickel. He has about 25 spaces filled now.

It didn't work though. He still hates me.

TorinoCobra71 · February 16, 2012 3:34AM

<< 

<< Attention Hungry? >>

You betcha.

Always.

(Got yours, though, didn't I?)

>>

Dont you know it.

BaseballAbs · February 16, 2012 3:43AM

Good luck with with your search. Sounds like fun. I'm sure the second set will come quicker than the first.

lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 3:46AM

<< My boss seemed fascinated one day with a couple of "old nickels" he got in change. They were from the 40's. I gave him a brief education about nickels and he seemed interested.

So, I bought him a 1938-1961 Whitman folder as a token Christmas gift in 2010 and everytime I run across an old nickel in change, I give it to him for his folder which he keeps in his office. A couple of other people I work with also contribute when they run across an old nickel. He has about 25 spaces filled now.

It didn't work though. He still hates me. >>

Nah, that's just a front. He has to put on that facade or risk losing face to everyone else. He secretly thinks you're a cool guy, if a wee bit strange and nerdy.

golfer72 · February 16, 2012 12:32PM

Sounds like fun Lord! I am doing a similar thing with Lincoln Memorials thru 99 I think. Only from change though. No rolls. I am like 85% done. Its fun!

lordmarcovan · February 16, 2012 12:44PM

I dunno if I could handle the tedium of Memorials from circulation. Then again, why the heck not? I found a Red BU 1973 in change the other day and kept it. As time marches on, some of these things will gain new respect. I was a wee lad in '73 and that penny is still pretty all this time later. And besides, what could be a smaller outlay of funds than a cent collection from circulation?

I think I'd better get a Memorial album, too.

Maybe later.

As you can see I haven't posted a single addition to this new set yet, because I stayed at home typing on the forums all day instead of going to the bank. But tomorrow night I go to work, and have to count the drawer, so...

DBSTrader2 · February 17, 2012 11:08PM

M'Lord:

It's either my eyes or my monitor, but ALL your dates look to be the same "boldness"!

Maybe if others are having the same issue, you can put an asterisk (or even a TILDE!!) after those you do or don't have for the "visually challenged" like myself?

I love what you're doing here, almost more so than with your attempt at a set of Walkers at near-melt, because I never got into the more "expensive" silver coins while they were still circulating pre-1965, and am now eternally in an expensive (for me) "catch-up" mode on Walkers & Morgan/Peace $'s, whereas my whole career in coin collecting began with pulling pennies and nickels from circulation to fill blue Whitman folders, with the help and encouragement of my grandparents .

I never "graduated" from that style of collecting..... just expanded what denominations and date ranges & sets of countries I collected in the blue Whitmans as time went on & I found more folders out there. I now have a ton of U.S., Canadian, Mexican, British, Australian, & New Zealand folders in my collection as a result, with varying percentages of completion......

While I marvel at the vast & expensive & valuable coins & collections I see out there at shows & reported on this Forum, I still consider myself a "small fish" and pure "hobbyist" vs investor/dealer..... filling holes & getting close to completing sets is what really gives me a thrill. I and my kids will never retire on my coins, but, if my eyesight holds up, will at least have something to enjoy post-employment...

What also gives me a thrill is helping other YN's get started & enjoy a similar experience. There's an older gentleman (must be in his 80's) who mans a YN table outside the regular monthly show's convention room who I contribute to often. Not too long ago, I (with the help of many on this Forum with the needed dates) put together several Lincoln Memorial sets for him to give to YN's to get them hooked. The smile on his face & how much he thanked me told me my day would be so much more productive OUTSIDE the show's hall than INSIDE!! I've also given him a partial set of Jeffs in folders to give away, as well as a few runs of British & Canadian coins generously contributed thru me from some other Forum members.

Each time I hand him a "care package" for his YN's, I'm reminded of why I got into collecting in the first place & am brought back to my roots & my time spent on the hobby with my grandparents. And, although collecting has changed somewhat from when I was a kid, hopefully I am giving new YN's a gentle push in the same direction.

So kudos on your Jeff circ collection, and here's hope you're successful!

- - Dave

P.S. If you won't buy or trade for dates you need, what would you do if someone partially "paid" you with dates they knew you needed when purchasing any coins, etc from you? THERE ARE WAYS TO GET AROUND YOUR RULES!!!

cladking · February 18, 2012 8:07AM

It looks like fun.

I'd be interested in the condition of the coins you are able to find as well.

I might suggest that with the post-1964 nickels you defer a lot to strike and die quality
since choice examples will prove even more elusive than lightly worn examples. Normally
the '71-P would be the last hole to fill butwhere you are I'll predict it will be the '68-S.

Of course a several of the early dates will probably never be found.

OldEastside · February 18, 2012 8:41AM

It sounds like a win win collection Rob, with nickels costing
the mint 11.2 cents to produce now, ya cant go wrong, I
have this bad habit of saving any pre70 Jeffs and nice ones
dated after that, and back when Vegas had actual Nickel slots
I had more fun going through the cointray than playing them
allthough I think I enjoyed the buffets more.

Anyways I know you can do it, so good luck and be patient.

Steve

golfer72 · February 18, 2012 8:41AM

<< M'Lord:

It's either my eyes or my monitor, but ALL your dates look to be the same "boldness"!

Maybe if others are having the same issue, you can put an asterisk (or even a TILDE!!) after those you do or don't have for the "visually challenged" like myself?

I love what you're doing here, almost more so than with your attempt at a set of Walkers at near-melt, because I never got into the more "expensive" silver coins while they were still circulating pre-1965, and am now eternally in an expensive (for me) "catch-up" mode on Walkers & Morgan/Peace $'s, whereas my whole career in coin collecting began with pulling pennies and nickels from circulation to fill blue Whitman folders, with the help and encouragement of my grandparents .

I never "graduated" from that style of collecting..... just expanded what denominations and date ranges & sets of countries I collected in the blue Whitmans as time went on & I found more folders out there. I now have a ton of U.S., Canadian, Mexican, British, Australian, & New Zealand folders in my collection as a result, with varying percentages of completion......

While I marvel at the vast & expensive & valuable coins & collections I see out there at shows & reported on this Forum, I still consider myself a "small fish" and pure "hobbyist" vs investor/dealer..... filling holes & getting close to completing sets is what really gives me a thrill. I and my kids will never retire on my coins, but, if my eyesight holds up, will at least have something to enjoy post-employment...

What also gives me a thrill is helping other YN's get started & enjoy a similar experience. There's an older gentleman (must be in his 80's) who mans a YN table outside the regular monthly show's convention room who I contribute to often. Not too long ago, I (with the help of many on this Forum with the needed dates) put together several Lincoln Memorial sets for him to give to YN's to get them hooked. The smile on his face & how much he thanked me told me my day would be so much more productive OUTSIDE the show's hall than INSIDE!! I've also given him a partial set of Jeffs in folders to give away, as well as a few runs of British & Canadian coins generously contributed thru me from some other Forum members.

Each time I hand him a "care package" for his YN's, I'm reminded of why I got into collecting in the first place & am brought back to my roots & my time spent on the hobby with my grandparents. And, although collecting has changed somewhat from when I was a kid, hopefully I am giving new YN's a gentle push in the same direction.

So kudos on your Jeff circ collection, and here's hope you're successful!

- - Dave

P.S. If you won't buy or trade for dates you need, what would you do if someone partially "paid" you with dates they knew you needed when purchasing any coins, etc from you? THERE ARE WAYS TO GET AROUND YOUR RULES!!!

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Nice story!

lordmarcovan · February 19, 2012 2:48AM

Batch 1 results.

Batch 1 was 14 rolls (560 coins) hunted on 2/17/12.

Here's the sorting tray I equipped myself with. It's got 36 adjustable compartments and cost me something like four bucks at Wal-Mart. They have 'em in the hardware section and in with the fishing tackle and maybe in the Crafts section, too. Note how I aligned the stickers facing the rear of the box instead of the front. This enables me to use the lid as a sorting tray. 36 slots was just right for one per year going back to 1961, which is just about where the two folders divide. I bought another box like this for sorting the earlier coins but then I realized I wasn't going to find that many earlier pieces, and the one slot at the top left suffices for all 1938-60 coins found in a particular batch.

Here's how the folders looked after the first batch.

DBSTrader2 · February 19, 2012 3:37AM

LOVE those spreadsheets & sorting tray set-up!! An "an@l-retentive" after my own heart!

Congrats on your progress!!!

- - Dave

P.S. Thanks for moving away from the "bold"/"no-bold" list, too!

P.P.S. As long as you're doing all that searching, why don't you add the next folder(s) & try and complete up thru 2011? You're already searching thru all those coins......

OldEastside · February 19, 2012 3:46AM

Wow not bad Rob, But for some reason I sense a guess the LM Jefferson completion date Contest
Part 1 (38 to 61) & Part 2 (62 to 95)

Steve

lordmarcovan · February 19, 2012 4:02AM

Funny, but until I started this, I never realized there were no 1968, 1969, and 1970 Philadelphia coins.

lordmarcovan · February 20, 2012 3:35AM

<< for some reason I sense a guess the LM Jefferson completion date Contest >>

I wouldn't know where to begin when it came to guessing the completion dates on these folders. The second folder, sure, that shouldn't take too long. But the first one- yikes- who knows.

lordmarcovan · February 28, 2012 10:05AM

Batch 2 results.

Batch 2 was 15 rolls I bought from the safe at the hotel where I work.

In the second roll I hunted, there was a pleasant surprise!

There were some other goodies, too. No War nickels yet, but I was pleased.

lordmarcovan · February 28, 2012 10:12AM

I did some upgrading with Batch 2 as well, getting rid of all the ugly hole fillers that were in the second folder. The second folder is now nearly full and the coins therein don't look so bad. It's mostly an AU-UNC set already, for the later material anyway.

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lordmarcovan · February 28, 2012 10:52AM

Cool! You've been at this a while. How long?

I'll never be into it on such a scale, I don't think, but I'm gonna dabble in it, in the spirit of fun.

I see you must use Excel. The version I have went buggy on this machine, so I've started using Google Documents, which is neat because now I can access my spreadsheets from anywhere. It was pretty easy to use, too.

Oh, I did get a couple of older coins (including that 1939) out of a freak roll which had obviously been put away in about 1985. That was the newest date in there, and the early-1980s coins were all AU-BU. I think I probably got quite a few upgrades outta that roll, in addition to two or three of the pre-1960 coins from this batch. Can't recall if the 1940-S was in that roll or not. I think maybe.

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lordmarcovan · February 28, 2012 11:26AM

Man, that's NUTS. Looks like one of those eBay "bait" rolls.

RollSearcher · February 28, 2012 12:05PM

LordM - its a fun project - good luck with it. I started with nickels about 3 years ago and I'm down to only 1 more date that I need - the 50-D. Interestingly enough, I found both the 39-D and 39-S over a span of 3 weeks a few months back, so I'm thinking that a 50-D isn't impossible. Keeping track of when you find certain dates will be interesting too. I remember it took WAYYYY longer than I thought it would to find a 1968-S. Another perplexing one was the 48-S. I found all but 1 of the war nickels before I found a 48-S. Of course, I've probably found about a dozen of them since I got that first one.

Fade to Black - Those are some impressive results (and a cool spreadsheet to boot!). That V nickel end roll must've made you nuts. I can top that though - I found a large batch of walkers searching boxes of halves once and had a 1921 showing at the end of a roll - I almost had a heart attack!

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291fifth · February 28, 2012 12:20PM

Unfortunately, you will probably never find a 50-D in circulation. In my 50+ years as a collector it is the only regular circulation date of Jefferson that I have never found.

RollSearcher · February 28, 2012 12:29PM

Keeping a separate album of AU/BU is a great idea - I've been upgrading my Dansco when I find the nicer coins, but I think I might have to steal that idea from you and do another set of just the higher grade coins.

michiganboy · February 28, 2012 12:50PM

I got a 50 d searching the rolls at my job last year, so its possible. I was even looking that hard at the nickels, just hoping for war nickels and a buffalo maybe.

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richbeat · February 28, 2012 4:12PM

<< Yeah, the '50-D's are still out there, just... Rare as heck. >>

Yes, they are. I've found exactly one 1950 D after many years of searching.

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