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Smokin' 1928 Peace in PCGS 61?

DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Not my auction but I'm tempted even though I can't really swing it right now.

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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    61 does seem rather rough from those pics.
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    66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭
    No pic of the reverse?

    Why doesn't the seller upgrade it?

    Maybe seeing the reverse would explain some things?
    Rob
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    fivecentsfivecents Posts: 11,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now that coin has POP!!!

    Looks way undergraded. The marks in the field by the Y in Liberty must be alot worse that the images show.

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    DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,350 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>No pic of the reverse?

    Why doesn't the seller upgrade it?

    Maybe seeing the reverse would explain some things? >>



    I can see the reverse.
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Rob, the reverse is the side with the eagle.

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    MockingjayMockingjay Posts: 121 ✭
    Slightly rotated die?
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    DIMEMANDIMEMAN Posts: 22,403 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even with the chatter over by the "Y" it looks better than 61.
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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Rob, the reverse is the side with the eagle.

    image >>



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    66RB66RB Posts: 2,516 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Rob, the reverse is the side with the eagle.

    image >>



    Wow, That's funny! It wasn't there the first time I looked at it. Mebbe something to do with the nook I'm using.


    And, now, I agree, looks like a really nice coin for the gradeimage
    Rob
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    azxcazxc Posts: 65 ✭
    Only thing I can imagine is if the rim is dinged up. But from those pictures I would also say its being under graded.
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    RandomsRandoms Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    What is the prime focal area on a Peace $? Similar to a Morgan? Definitely one you want to see in hand.

    Edited. The eye looks weird, or is it just me?
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭
    Since it's priced at 63 money, it's not much or a bargain whether it upgrades or not.

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,882 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would have GTG'ed wrong on that one, but it is aggresively priced.
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    crypto79crypto79 Posts: 8,623 ✭


    << <i>Since it's priced at 63 money, it's not much or a bargain whether it upgrades or not.

    -Paul >>




    This is the best answer so far IMO:

    In my experience Peace dollars are one of the hardest coin to grade and grade by pictures. The pics looks to be at a funny angle and light pattern and I would put my faith in the graders at PCGS over the chat room grader here. Besides there is no upside at that price even if it is a 62. I posted a MS61 Peace dollar with good photos not too long ago and people were oh that a 64 or 63 and what not and it is an honest 61 sooooooooo just remember opinions are generally worth what you pay for them.

    IMO it looks about like a lustrous chatty 61 peace dollar. For comparisons
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    MarkInDavisMarkInDavis Posts: 1,753 ✭✭✭✭
    All the photos are with the coin tilted. I would like to see one straight on.
    image Respectfully, Mark
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    NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    I would not touch it. It is 61 for a reason. It is amazing what light can do.
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Those images are meant to trick the eye into seeing something that is not. The seller claims this particular coin has "no marks at all" "all white" and "no toning" I for one don't buy it...what appears to be to good to be true usually is just that, no returns, buyer beware.

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    NewParadigmNewParadigm Posts: 1,322
    I trust that our host got it right....
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    TwinturboTwinturbo Posts: 493
    All those hits near the T and Y are reeding hits. Imo 61, you would have to be super lucky to get an upgrade on this one.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,844 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I would not touch it. It is 61 for a reason. It is amazing what light can do. >>



    I'm guessing it's hairlined or has some other issues that are not showing up in the pics.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 10,000 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is definitely something your not seeing in the pic. This is similar to a coin a local dealer had here last year, a PCGS Green label 60. A wow coin at first glance, but when you look closer, its hairlined pretty significantly.

    jim
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    morgansforevermorgansforever Posts: 8,513 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm with 66RB, upgrade it then, if it's undergraded by two or three points.
    I have doubts that PCGS would Fup a key date grade. Pics can be deceiving.
    Judging by the pics I'm leaning towards 63.

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    lasvegasteddylasvegasteddy Posts: 10,492 ✭✭✭
    one sweet coin reguardless
    everything in life is but merely on loan to us by our appreciation....lose your appreciation and see


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    frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750 ✭
    I had a nice PCGS AU58 I sold a few years back that I liked better. Need to see if I still have some pics.

    The MS61 does look undergraded by a point or two from the pics.
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    RandomsRandoms Posts: 165 ✭✭✭
    They all look the same to me. image
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    thenibblerthenibbler Posts: 147 ✭✭
    They got the grade right. The hits by the T and Y are really bad, otherwise the coin would be in a 64 holder.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That sure looks great from his pics... Yet since it could look entirely different in hand the seller not offering any sort of return option is a turn off.

    Edited to add:

    The pics are taken free handed with a point and shoot camera... Apposed to a fixed DSLR that's mounted on a copy stand.

    There's some luxuries to photographing coins that route as your able to angle the coin and camera until your capture the most forgiving shots.

    Hence I genuinely doubt this MS61 example would show up looking as mark free as the sellers images.
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