At FUN last week, someone offered me a Morgan dollar in a Genuine holder that said "VF30 Details". I would have passed on the coin anyway, but I thought it was strange that the holder didn't say "VF Details" it specifically stated "VF30 Details". The coin and holder looked okay, but now I'm wondering if it was fake with that level of specificity.
If that 1810 half eagle is indicative of a new PCGS Net Grade type of slab for high end coins, then I think that's a big improvement in appraisal value for the grading fee than a simple "genuine"
Agrees with Mr Lustig. From the point of authentication and encapsulation, the brand itself is the authority on the genuineness of the item. Plus Andy's suggestion enlightens , protects , identifies and helps determine the "added value" on coins in general, that dealers and hobbyists do not mind paying for anyway. Implementing minor changes could reap major benefits too.
<< <i>I think that this is a step in the right direction.
Three suggestions.
First, why bother stating that the coin is "Genuine"? It's no more necessary on a problem coin than on a problem-free coin.
Second, "XF Details - Cleaned" sounds and looks better than "Cleaning - XF Details".
Third, "Improperly Cleaned" would be better than "Cleaned". >>
I also agree with Andy. He does come up with excellent suggestions from time to time.
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<< <i>That Half Eagle holder also states Net Grade. Interesting. Is it an older plastic? I thought they weren't doing Net Grade only Details Grade. >>
Strange. The only ones I've seen have the details grade. I didn't think PCGS was getting into net grades. Did the fact that this is an Important Coin™ cause a different set of rules to be applied? The serial number contains an actual grade ("30") rather than an altered surfaces code. Regardless of the consensus opinion of what's the best approach to grade problem coins, it would be nice to know to the rules that were applied to grading this coin.
When new forms are issued - all the old forms should be removed from the PCGS table. A friend somehow got hold of an old form for a Show Walk Thru for a coin I thought would Genuine - but wanted an AU Details Cleaning Grade.
Its no big deal - but it would have been nice to have the Details Grade as well.
Yes, the coin did get a 92 - as expected.
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Three suggestions.
First, why bother stating that the coin is "Genuine"? It's no more necessary on a problem coin than on a problem-free coin.
Second, "XF Details - Cleaned" sounds and looks better than "Cleaning - XF Details".
Third, "Improperly Cleaned" would be better than "Cleaned".
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<< <i>That Half Eagle holder also states Net Grade. Interesting. Is it an older plastic? I thought they weren't doing Net Grade only Details Grade.
Nope, it's a new slab.
Plus Andy's suggestion enlightens , protects , identifies and helps determine the "added value" on coins in general, that dealers and hobbyists do not mind paying for anyway. Implementing minor changes could reap major benefits too.
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<< <i>It was started last year. >>
There, I fixed it for you.
<< <i>I think that this is a step in the right direction.
Three suggestions.
First, why bother stating that the coin is "Genuine"? It's no more necessary on a problem coin than on a problem-free coin.
Second, "XF Details - Cleaned" sounds and looks better than "Cleaning - XF Details".
Third, "Improperly Cleaned" would be better than "Cleaned". >>
I also agree with Andy. He does come up with excellent suggestions from time to time.
I firmly believe in numismatics as the world's greatest hobby, but recognize that this is a luxury and without collectors, we can all spend/melt our collections/inventories.
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<< <i>That Half Eagle holder also states Net Grade. Interesting. Is it an older plastic? I thought they weren't doing Net Grade only Details Grade.
Strange. The only ones I've seen have the details grade. I didn't think PCGS was getting into net grades. Did the fact that this is an Important Coin™ cause a different set of rules to be applied? The serial number contains an actual grade ("30") rather than an altered surfaces code. Regardless of the consensus opinion of what's the best approach to grade problem coins, it would be nice to know to the rules that were applied to grading this coin.
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When new forms are issued - all the old forms should be removed from
the PCGS table. A friend somehow got hold of an old form for a Show Walk Thru
for a coin I thought would Genuine - but wanted an AU Details Cleaning Grade.
Its no big deal - but it would have been nice to have the Details Grade as well.
Yes, the coin did get a 92 - as expected.
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