Couple Indian Error Questions

I've got the two below coins and just wondered if the 1908 is a clip or PMD. Not sure about the 1874, but I think I see something in the lower loop of the 8. Is there an overdate for that year? Thanks.



A 1943 copper Lincoln will still only buy a gumball out of the machine, but you can purchase the machine and the store with that same cent.
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I can't see if there is anything beyond light corrosion going on around the date of the 1874, if you can get a slightly larger photo and click your heels three times, Rick Snow himself might wander into the thread to give you a better opinion.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>The clip appears to be authentic, possibly an end of strip straight clip. >>
... or, you know, what he said.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
You're quick.
<< <i>I agree, the clip looks real, although a little strange imo. The blakesley effect is present and there is weakness around the clip itself. >>
It is believed that most if not all planchet strips back then were tapered at the ends to make it easier to feed them into rollers. Therefore, if you punch a blank from an end and overlap the straight end itself, you also get some of the tapered thin area leading down to the end.
TD
<< <i>Thanks for all the replies. The 1908 looks like it has a minor clip at the bottom too. Not really any metal missing, but the denticles are very weak, or not there. Don't know if I can do any better on the lighting for the 1874. It's a fairly dark coin. I just wanted to see if anyone else is seeing what I see. >>
What you are seeing is the Blakesley effect.
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<< <i>The 1908 looks like it has a minor clip at the bottom too. Not really any metal missing, but the denticles are very weak, or not there. >>
Definitely a genuine clip, IMO. The area your referring to across from the clip is called a Blakesley effect. This is caused due to the absence of pressure during the upset milling process.
Here are a couple "straight clips" of mine...
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