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Couple Indian Error Questions

Iampoorman2Iampoorman2 Posts: 207 ✭
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I've got the two below coins and just wondered if the 1908 is a clip or PMD. Not sure about the 1874, but I think I see something in the lower loop of the 8. Is there an overdate for that year? Thanks.

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A 1943 copper Lincoln will still only buy a gumball out of the machine, but you can purchase the machine and the store with that same cent.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The clip appears to be authentic, possibly an end of strip straight clip.
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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 1908 is definitely a genuine Mint error, it appears to be an end-of-strip clip. This is a straight clip which is believed to come from either the leading or trailing edge of the planchet strip. It is characterized by a sharply tapered edge, the rim along the edge has close to a 45-degree angle.

    I can't see if there is anything beyond light corrosion going on around the date of the 1874, if you can get a slightly larger photo and click your heels three times, Rick Snow himself might wander into the thread to give you a better opinion.


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  • seanqseanq Posts: 8,733 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The clip appears to be authentic, possibly an end of strip straight clip. >>




    ... or, you know, what he said. image


    Sean Reynolds
    Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.

    "Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree, the clip looks real, although a little strange imo. The blakesley effect is present and there is weakness around the clip itself.
  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    You're quick.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,749 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I agree, the clip looks real, although a little strange imo. The blakesley effect is present and there is weakness around the clip itself. >>



    It is believed that most if not all planchet strips back then were tapered at the ends to make it easier to feed them into rollers. Therefore, if you punch a blank from an end and overlap the straight end itself, you also get some of the tapered thin area leading down to the end.

    TD
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  • Iampoorman2Iampoorman2 Posts: 207 ✭
    Thanks for all the replies. The 1908 looks like it has a minor clip at the bottom too. Not really any metal missing, but the denticles are very weak, or not there. Don't know if I can do any better on the lighting for the 1874. It's a fairly dark coin. I just wanted to see if anyone else is seeing what I see.
    A 1943 copper Lincoln will still only buy a gumball out of the machine, but you can purchase the machine and the store with that same cent.
  • Tdec1000Tdec1000 Posts: 3,852 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Thanks for all the replies. The 1908 looks like it has a minor clip at the bottom too. Not really any metal missing, but the denticles are very weak, or not there. Don't know if I can do any better on the lighting for the 1874. It's a fairly dark coin. I just wanted to see if anyone else is seeing what I see. >>



    What you are seeing is the Blakesley effect.
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  • frnklnlvrfrnklnlvr Posts: 2,750 ✭


    << <i>The 1908 looks like it has a minor clip at the bottom too. Not really any metal missing, but the denticles are very weak, or not there. >>



    Definitely a genuine clip, IMO. The area your referring to across from the clip is called a Blakesley effect. This is caused due to the absence of pressure during the upset milling process.

    Here are a couple "straight clips" of mine...

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