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Hypothetical: newly discovered hoards

rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
Hypothetical: You inherit a box of silver dimes from your poor deceased uncle from Nevada, who knew a little about coins and a lot about gambling. To your delight, the accumulation of old dimes turns out to be an astounding hoard of a formerly rare date (say 1874-cc, for argument's sake): 500 pieces total in every grade from AG to MS63, that was put away prior to 1900. It's unknown to the numismatic community. The question at hand is, how would you choose to sell off your newfound hoard, knowing that the market price will "crater" once 500 of them are released? Would it be unethical to auction them off quietly, one at a time, using an auction house as a front, thus burying the first few buyers up to their necks? Assume you can keep the nicest one for yourself and wish to sell the rest.

This Hypothetical may seem silly, but consider that it has happened before (e.g., Treasury release of BU 1903-O Morgan Dollars turned a major rarity into a common date almost overnight). We all assume a risk when investing in rare coins; it is (remotely) possible that a hoard could turn up at any time and obliterate our investments.

Apologies in advance if we have had a similar thread previously that I did not read.

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  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭
    Sell them in a way to maximize your income, nothing unethical about that.
  • rainbowroosierainbowroosie Posts: 4,875 ✭✭✭✭
    Ethical?? You'd be dumb to do any different...First, sort out the 3 highest graded and sell them from lowest grade to highest. Then slowly sell the rest beginning with the lowest grades.image
    "You keep your 1804 dollar and 1822 half eagle -- give me rainbow roosies in MS68."
    rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
  • STONESTONE Posts: 15,275
    Hoard of 1844 Seated Dimes...anyone??? Sounds very familiar to your scenario, just using a scarcer date!

    Those were unloaded VERY quickly to dealers. But with an 1874-CC, I'd say a once-per-month sale to a
    dealer, collector, consignment, etc could net you the most gain! Sometimes use a middle-man to disguise
    the consistency of one person selling those and becomming more and more recognizable! 500 would be
    a lot to disperse, but hitting different markets across the country, and doing so slowly could be the most
    profitable
  • EagleEyeEagleEye Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it would be best to let everyone know what was in the hoard. Then set prices at 75% of the current retail market (not Grey sheet) and allow then to sell. Never lower the price and don't show anyone favoritism.

    The market won't tank. It may even rise after awhile with more examples trading hands.
    Rick Snow, Eagle Eye Rare Coins, Inc.Check out my new web site:
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ethical?? You'd be dumb to do any different...First, sort out the 3 highest graded and sell them from lowest grade to highest. Then slowly sell the rest beginning with the lowest grades.


    Nice evil plan. Then you will have three dime collectors out there who want you dead. I assume you're not a dealer who needs to protect his reputation? Those dime collectors are a rough bunch. image
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hoard of 1844 Seated Dimes...anyone???


    The existence of the hoard of 1844 dimes was widely acknowledged prior to its release. There was no secrecy there at all.

    Edited to add: we're talking about potentially burying someone in a $50,000 coin that is worth $500 after you sell your hoard off.
  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭
    Let them out slowly and with the lowest grade to highest.

    I'd fully document the group and the highest graded ones go to auction with nice pictures of the pile and a writeup image
  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,035 ✭✭✭✭
    I'd sell the low grades to dogs of AUs. Then retire and enjoy my beautiful AU and MS coins image
  • GemineyeGemineye Posts: 5,374


    << <i>Hypothetical: newly discovered hoards >>



    What..!!..Next thing your gonna tell me is they found a Great Hoard of SBA Dollars...!!!
    ......Larry........image
  • rheddenrhedden Posts: 6,632 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, that could make the SBAs worth even less than they are currently worth. Oh wait, they're already at face value. image


  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 12,620 ✭✭✭✭✭
    One coin I could see this happening with is the 1961 DDR proof half dollar that is the the valuable one.

    Less than 150 are currently graded by PCGS and NGC out of a mintage of over 3,000,000.

    However, there are still some unopened and/or unsearched 1961 proof sets out there which may contain examples of these half dollars. I know this to be true because I lucked out and scored one of these half dollars about three weeks ago when I bought 3 1961 proof sets in OGP and discovered that one of them had the valuable DDR half in it.
  • scotty1419scotty1419 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Hypothetical: newly discovered hoards >>



    What..!!..Next thing your gonna tell me is they found a Great Hoard of SBA Dollars...!!! >>



    Or Ikes! image
  • Oh, well, write a very well illustrated book in tandem with PCGS who would provide the special "Hoard" inserts that go with them when offered through some reputable entity. No harm, profit maxed, education and all stuff documented (like the chemical comp of the bag etc.), all happy image

    Eric
  • BAJJERFANBAJJERFAN Posts: 31,330 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You would have to have them graded one at time too, no?
    theknowitalltroll;
  • dogwooddogwood Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭✭
    I've fantasized many times about finding a mint state roll of 1901-s quarters, and how in the heck I'd pull off the 35K take on each one before people got wise.
    I'd think the necessary certification of something truly noteworthy would send ripples prior to disbursal.
    Who'd believe the authenticity on eBay of just one raw example?
    Delicate thing these hoards.

    We're all born MS70. I'm about a Fine 15 right now.
  • Its not that Hard ive done it before.
    I purchased a bag of 1887 morgans and majority were 1887/6 it took 2.5 years to disperse the hoard.
    I also picked up a roll of gem of 1945-S micro S dimes. Im sitting on them for now.
    My quarter key date hoard is coming along nicely.
  • droopyddroopyd Posts: 5,381 ✭✭✭


    << <i>there are still some unopened and/or unsearched 1961 proof sets out there which may contain examples of these half dollars. >>



    I've got 2 and have never checked then for a DDR. I'll do that directly.
    Me at the Springfield coin show:
    image
    60 years into this hobby and I'm still working on my Lincoln set!
  • kevinstangkevinstang Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭
    I've always been partial to finding an original roll of unc 1916 standing libs....full heads all of them of course
  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is nothing unethical about dispersing the coins in a manner to maximize your profit. Cheers, RickO
  • dlmtortsdlmtorts Posts: 743 ✭✭✭
    I agree with Ricko in theory. However, in practice, it depends upon how one dispersed of the coins. If you advertised them as rare or recited the population numbers in an attempt to drive prices up, knowing all the while that the coins really aren't rare because of your hoard, then ethical issues certainly arise and are subject to debate. I'm not commenting on how those ethical issues should be resolved, I'm merely pointing out that they exist and reasonable minds can differ as to the resolution.
  • Mission16Mission16 Posts: 1,413 ✭✭✭
    I would think it would be fairly easy to sell 500 rare coins quickly and not cause a ripple. Spread it around, coast to coast, within a couple weeks span and you'd be on a sunny beach before anyone was the wiser.
    And it STILL probably would not cause a drop.

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