Is this a cud error? PMD? I'm stumped.

Peaceman · January 6, 2012 9:46AM

This is an odd looking cud if it is not PMD. It would seem that the rim looks right for a cud but where the extra metal is, the rim for that area has been deformed and sports a "plateau" like bend. If you look at the reverse where the cud is on the other side, you see like a struck-thru grease error but it seems to have files lines within it? Do you think someone added metal to it (only way it'd be PMD I guess) or is it a legit cud? Thanks ahead of time

commoncents05 · January 6, 2012 9:58AM

Cud. No doubt about it.

-Paul

commoncents05 · January 6, 2012 10:00AM

A cud is a break of the die, meaning there is nothing left to apply the design to the blank, and that also means there is nothing left for the opposite to to press against. That is why there is the soft spot in the design on the reverse. Here is an extreme example:

-Paul

Peaceman · January 6, 2012 10:17AM

2 cuds in 2 months... I'm on a roll

JRocco · January 6, 2012 10:22AM

<< <i>2 cuds in 2 months... I'm on a roll

>>

Just remember 3 cuds and your out
So don't swing at the low ones...

frnklnlvr · January 6, 2012 10:00PM

<< <i>It would seem that the rim looks right for a cud but where the extra metal is, the rim for that area has been deformed and sports a "plateau" like bend. >>

That "bend" on the rim is normal for a cud.

Here's one I found a few years ago from roll searching that shows that "bend." I donated it to atarian for his die chip project.

ricko · January 7, 2012 12:17AM

I believe this is something else since the 'cud' appears over top of already struck letters... no suggestions as to how though. Perhaps Fred Weinberg can review this... Cheers, RickO

seanq · January 7, 2012 1:05AM

Definitely a cud, the marks on the reverse are usually flattened out by the force of the strike.

Sean Reynolds

CaptHenway · January 7, 2012 1:41AM

OP: when you talk about the bend of the rim, are you talking about the "rim" (the raised border about either side that is a part of the obverse or reverse design), or the "edge" (the flat third side of a cent, where you would balance a cent on its edge)?

The edge of the coin has a wave in it because the metal in the planchet at the affected area flowed into the path of least resistance (the large void in the obverse die) rather than the narrow rim in the reverse die. Thus, the reverse rim is weak opposite the cud.

TD

telephoto1 · January 7, 2012 2:35AM

Looks like a cud, and a nice one. The deformation is normal and seen on many if not most similar pieces to varying degrees.

namwalker · January 7, 2012 5:12AM

I've been searching penny rolls for awhile and have seen maybe one or two of these coins and have not paid any attention to them because I thought that they were caused by kids playing around with the coin, or that the splits were from super glue (which could be the case).

So my question is that from the tone of this thread cuds are mint errors? Right? And if they are do they have any numismatic value in and of themselves or are they just a curiousity?

Just trying to get information.............

seanq · January 7, 2012 7:21AM

<< <i>I've been searching penny rolls for awhile and have seen maybe one or two of these coins and have not paid any attention to them because I thought that they were caused by kids playing around with the coin, or that the splits were from super glue (which could be the case).

So my question is that from the tone of this thread cuds are mint errors? Right? And if they are do they have any numismatic value in and of themselves or are they just a curiousity?

Just trying to get information............. >>

Yes they are Mint errors, caused when a piece of the die breaks off and the planchet is unstruck in the area of the missing die. Because a broken die will not stay in service for long before a complete failure, they are considered scarce and highly collectible. There are a lot of forms of PMD that resemble cuds, especially when metal or glue is on the surface, but this thread does a good job of reviewing the diagnostics of a genuine error.

Sean Reynolds

Is this a cud error? PMD? I'm stumped.

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