Just got this in whats the grade

Crocidile65 · January 4, 2012 7:38PM

Just added to my collection what kind of grade do you think I would get if I submitted it?

cape · January 4, 2012 9:01PM

genuine cleaned.....sorry

Bah1513 · January 4, 2012 9:30PM

Not a series I collect, not sure if it's your picture, I don't like the color.

ricko · January 4, 2012 9:35PM

Raw IHC... good hole filler in an album.. not worth submitting... Cheers, RickO

STONE · January 4, 2012 9:38PM

<< <i>Raw IHC... good hole filler in an album.. not worth submitting... Cheers, RickO >>

For one, the authenticity to me seems to be in question here:

I'm not seeing a shallow N in ONE
The second 7 in the date doesn't appear to be larger/taller/above than the first 7

I'm seeing red flags here, how about others?

As for authentication and whether it should be sent to a TPG - HECK YA if it's real!

NJKen · January 4, 2012 10:32PM

Well since I just went through a learning experience with an 1877 as well, I'm going to say that I too don't like the look of the last 7. Here is my thread on my adventures with an 1877:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=838422

Bikingnut · January 4, 2012 10:35PM

Doesn't look authentic. The "N" in ONE doesn't look right for a genuine '77.

Dennis

AUandAG · January 5, 2012 1:11AM

Welcome Crocidile65

Yes, I would send for authentication. I too don't see it as real, unless it is a proof?

bob

GoldClause · January 5, 2012 1:32AM

Details are VF30 to XF40. Definitely cleaned. I'm no expert on whether it's genuine, so I'll leave that to others.

Definitely not a coin I would have bought raw.

Bigrig52 · January 5, 2012 1:55AM

Doesn't seem to be right..I would say a fake for sure..Like the others say the N in ONE doesn't look right..Hope you didn't pay alot for it

NotSure · January 5, 2012 3:11AM

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<< <i>Raw IHC... good hole filler in an album.. not worth submitting... Cheers, RickO >>

For one, the authenticity to me seems to be in question here:

I'm not seeing a shallow N in ONE
The second 7 in the date doesn't appear to be larger/taller/above than the first 7

I'm seeing red flags here, how about others?

As for authentication and whether it should be sent to a TPG - HECK YA if it's real! >>

I fully agree. Though, this is a series I'm not familiar with AT ALL. BUT, due to the last (very recently) thread about NJKen's fiasco on this date, I lernt me sumthin' about this particular date, and delved a bit more into it, as it's a heavily counterfeited coin. Thanks to NJKen's thread/fiasco (no offense, NJKen, seriously, you know where I'm coming from), the N and the 7 looke suspect to me at second glance. But, again, I'm literally still at the beginning of identifying the 'tells' of the fakes. I understand the possibility of it being a proof, but the odds don't seem great, at least to me.

Seems like most of the raw examples of these being brought up are fakes. Is this one of those coins that, due to it's high price in ANY grade, could have more fakes, than authentics? With a little over 850,000 minted, that'd be alot of fakes...but the Chinese DO pump out alot of 'merchandise', not to mention the fakes produced here, for years and years. If you were to find one in a 'junk bin' or someone's 'stash', I'll bet it's more than a heartstopper, but to the informed, I have to think after the heart started beating again, it'd be a 'guilty until proven innocent' thing. I could be wrong, but from someone who is learning something new here (thats why I love this place), I think I'm seeing a fake. As for sending in for authentication, I'll leave that up to those of you with more knowledge.

tightbudget · January 5, 2012 3:19AM

Not genuine. The N isn't shallow. The only 1877 cents that come with a non-shallow N are the proofs and yours does not have a proof quality strike.

cladking · January 5, 2012 3:42AM

It seems the consensus is counterfeit.

It does appear to be cast.

relicsncoins · January 5, 2012 5:00AM

How can anyone give an accurate opinion base on terrible scans. People thought this 1877 was counterfiet for the same reason and it turned out to be authentic. The coin does appear to have problems, but I'm not ready to say it's fake until I can see better photos.

Another 1877 IHC

Bikingnut · January 5, 2012 6:05AM

The scans aren't terrible enough to tell that the "N" isn't right.

JMO
Dennis

stealer · January 5, 2012 6:54AM

My first impression was fake.

darktone · January 5, 2012 8:23AM

Looking at it my iPhone I thought fake as soon as I saw it.

Billet7 · January 5, 2012 8:43AM

Fake unless it's from the proof dies...which I'm not seeing. The "N" should be weakly struck if it's authentic, which it's not. Sorry to say, I'm fairly certain it's a counterfeit.

Billet7 · January 5, 2012 8:50AM

Just to be sure, can you post some better pics?

coinkat · January 5, 2012 10:21AM

Faux

jdimmick · January 5, 2012 11:13AM

Not genuine with out a doubt

Just got this in whats the grade

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