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  • BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man)

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man) >>


    I was in agreement until you said "Spider-Man". I wanted this sticker (below) on my slabs:

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  • ajmanajman Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭
    Just another gimmick for the label collectors.
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  • << <i>I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man) >>


    You got it..!!...Would you like that with or without ....Mayo.....!!!
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  • MidLifeCrisisMidLifeCrisis Posts: 10,613 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>


    Don't mince words Realone...tell us how you really feel.

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  • ModCrewmanModCrewman Posts: 4,053 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ryk - I think the 1943 Lincoln Cents should be eligible for that sticker...or at least the generic equivalent thereof.

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  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>


    Are you calling the folks ATS "bozos"?

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    Actually, I was hoping to read a reaction over there, but they are too busy catering to a noowbie who is just out of forum jail and peppering everyone with inane threads and comments.
  • IrishMikeyIrishMikey Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭
    I look forward to the entire "First Strike" "Early Release" "First Day of Issue" nonsense crashing to
    the ground in flames in a few years. You can fool some of the people some of the time....
  • HyperionHyperion Posts: 7,464 ✭✭✭
    redacted.
  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,687 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I look forward to the entire "First Strike" "Early Release" "First Day of Issue" nonsense crashing to
    the ground in flames in a few years. You can fool some of the people some of the time.... >>


    I just had a flashback where I was perusing a B&M bid-board and heard "Is the new Beckett's in?"
  • notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭


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    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>

    Are you calling the folks ATS "bozos"? imageimageimage Actually, I was hoping to read a reaction over there, but they are too busy catering to a noowbie who is just out of forum jail and peppering everyone with inane threads and comments. >>



    It is really just another name for early releases so nobody who really collects them will have much comment. Just another opportunity for people who don't collect moderns to throw stones. --jerry
  • shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry RYK, we can't use your sticker...we can't have people spontaneously barfing in the aisles at coin shows from anything other than "vintage" hot dogs. image
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  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I collect and sell moderns. I think that this is nuts. It's totally redundant with Early Releases. I absolutely don't get the point.
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  • BigABigA Posts: 2,715 ✭✭✭✭
    It means the same at Early release....I really can't figure out why they are adding another label that means the same thing....no difference in fees
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>

    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>

    Are you calling the folks ATS "bozos"? imageimageimage Actually, I was hoping to read a reaction over there, but they are too busy catering to a noowbie who is just out of forum jail and peppering everyone with inane threads and comments. >>



    It is really just another name for early releases so nobody who really collects them will have much comment. Just another opportunity for people who don't collect moderns to throw stones. --jerry >>


    IMO, "First Release" and similar designations are about money, not coins.
  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,420 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just another gimmick for the label collectors. >>



    They aren't the only ones.image

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  • JCMhoustonJCMhouston Posts: 5,306 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>



    I'm not sure whay anyone would be more disappointed with NGC than any other top tier TPG, they all make up different labels to sell to collectors. At least the "early release" doesn't incorrectly imply that it is some special "first strike" (which they are not).
  • carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,659 ✭✭✭✭
    Slab collectors ... you may have now achieved "game used" jersey cards status in your hobby

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  • << <i>I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man) >>



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  • PokermandudePokermandude Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Slab collectors ... you may have now achieved "game used" jersey cards status in your hobby >>



    lol... oh wait I mean image

    FWIW, I think Early Releases is the least ridiculous of these special labels.
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  • 66Tbird66Tbird Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭
    I noticed the label on my ASE sets. thought it was odd. I also got the edge view holder (free) and I like that.
    Need something designed and 3D printed?
  • I don't get it.
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  • bumanchubumanchu Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man) >>





    Baley, I am quite disappointed with your post, as you did not directly address what additional designations you would like to see on the reverse of the coin holders.image
    And I ain't lying this time.
  • CameonutCameonut Posts: 7,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never been a believer in First Strikes.

    First Releases makes much more sense to me. A step in the right direction.

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  • It could be that they felt the need to trademark another label in case PCGS got the idea to change the First Strike name to something more indicative of a first release.
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  • epcjimi1epcjimi1 Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭
    Crass as it may be, -

    corporate fourth party advertising could appear? Srsly. Mickey D golden arches in the lower left hand corner on gold coins? Silver Mercedes logo on high end silver coins? Corporations sponsor stadiums and plenty of money out there for this type of thing.

    Just throwing it out there. I wouldn't be surprised.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll bet that NGC is just laying claim to the label to prevent a competitor from switching to it.

    I agree with Mr. Floyd. After all, they do owe them one. image

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • SteveSteve Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It could be that they felt the need to trademark another label in case PCGS got the idea to change the First Strike name to something more indicative of a first release. >>




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    Although I'm a strictly PCGS fan, I agree that FIRST STRIKE on PCGS holders is WRONG. They should change that before someone outs them on using that term. JMHO. Steveimage
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It could be that they felt the need to trademark another label in case PCGS got the idea to change the First Strike name to something more indicative of a first release. >>



    At least that makes sense. On the face if it, it's nuts.
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  • << <i>Crass as it may be, -

    corporate fourth party advertising could appear? Srsly. Mickey D golden arches in the lower left hand corner on gold coins? Silver Mercedes logo on high end silver coins? Corporations sponsor stadiums and plenty of money out there for this type of thing.

    Just throwing it out there. I wouldn't be surprised. >>



    If you manage to score 2011-S coins with the Boardwalk and Park Place labels you score a big prize.
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  • ambro51ambro51 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And you can open the box first ...


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    << <i>I'd like my coin holders to read, "Special First Early Strike Release" and to also have a star, two plusses, and three stickers (one "bean", one smiley face, and one Spider-Man) >>


    I was in agreement until you said "Spider-Man". I wanted this sticker (below) on my slabs:

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    I knew I liked that dirty gold man.image
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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Legally (and technically) speaking, but Early Releases is more accurate then First Strike...which is a completely fraudulent term without any basis in fact.
  • Coins101Coins101 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Legally (and technically) speaking, but Early Releases is more accurate then First Strike.... >>



    I though I had posted the same thing yesterday but it seemed to of went POOF!
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Legally (and technically) speaking, but Early Releases is more accurate then First Strike...which is a completely fraudulent term without any basis in fact. >>


    PCGS has defined First Strike, and what they are labeling First Strike, meets their definition. Others may define it differently, and PCGS First Strike coins may or may not meet someone else's definition.

    Of course, most of this is silly to me, but some people obviously do care.
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,528 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PCGS is very clear on what their First Strike label signifies. However, I wonder how many buyers on the secondary market are mislead (through their own ignorance) by what the label says. I believe the argument from those that don't agree with the use of the term (myself included) is that it is not the correct wording for what PCGS is certifying. We all know that in the first 30 days a coin can very well be the last coin struck with a set of worn dies while a coin struck three months later may very well be the first coin struck with a new set of dies. IMO "First Releases" is a more appropriate label for what PCGS is certifying based on their criteria for the label. I believe their competitor grabbed the wording before someone else could do so.

    When gold and silver move together, it signals the coming end of fiat money.

  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,961 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<PCGS has defined First Strike, and what they are labeling First Strike>>

    Yes...and that definition would either make a group of Philadelphia lawyers very proud...or completely horrified...depending on which side of the table they sat. What makes it complete bull is the fact that a commonly used term in coin collecting has been grotesquely twisted to mean something completely different. "First Shipped" or "First Received" would be truthful...anything else is a sham.

    And as also noted, even if it did mean what it said, which would you rather own...a first struck coin from a worn pair of dies or a matte proof from brand new dies. Naked marketing...ya gotta love/hate it!
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMO, my guess is, the implement of this designation had more to do with dealers wanting to have first crack at sales of products from the US Mint. And there are also the collectors who demand and are completing a series with whatever the US Mint churns out. Don't blame your grading company. They're only meeting the needs of a popular demand by a special group of collectors and dealers who want these particular labels......is my other guess.

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  • TwoKopeikiTwoKopeiki Posts: 9,946 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Legally (and technically) speaking, but Early Releases is more accurate then First Strike...which is a completely fraudulent term without any basis in fact. >>



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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 44,950 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Attempting to give a crap...

    ...uh.

    Dangit, I failed.

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  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Attempting to give a crap...

    ...uh.

    Dangit, I failed. >>



    That's because I summed it up quite nicely. Not that I really give a crud about it, it just becomes too painful reading others aimless dribble.......that goes on and on and on............ image.........am I compelled to quiet those restless troubled minds.


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  • << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>


    Well look at your first strike labels.
  • RYKRYK Posts: 35,800 ✭✭✭✭✭


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    << <i>ngc just keeps on disappointing me........they are really going down hill and catering to the bozos. >>


    Well look at your first strike labels. >>


    Oh, look, a friend from ATS.


  • << <i>I wonder how many buyers on the secondary market are mislead (through their own ignorance) by what the label says. >>



    Based on the content of previous threads, there are people on these boards who are/were confused.

    The First Strike label is certainly deceptive to the uninformed. Maybe there should be a disclaimer on the back?
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,529 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>I wonder how many buyers on the secondary market are mislead (through their own ignorance) by what the label says. >>



    Based on the content of previous threads, there are people on these boards who are/were confused.

    The First Strike label is certainly deceptive to the uninformed. Maybe there should be a disclaimer on the back? >>



    I don't believe an uninformed/unknowledgeable collector who does not have a discerning eye for crisp EDS strikes, who relies too heavily on what a grading company thinks, is entitled to have such coins.


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  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ugh.

    They should refocus on guaranteeing variety attributions and stop with the label BS.
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