<< <i>i disagree thunderdan!! the jordan will go up as people who were in like 10 years old in the 90's watching him play will want his rookie card. it will be the 52 mantle of the future. >>
Of course you disagree since you are currently shamelessly hawking a PSA 10 Jordan on B/S/T. :-)
<< <i>the jordan will go up as people who were in like 10 years old in the 90's watching him play will want his rookie card. it will be the 52 mantle of the future. >>
I agree that the popularity of the 86 Fleer Jordan will increase as time goes on BUT high grade prices being realized today already have that "future price" factored in, if that makes any sense. Still, high grade 86 Fleer Jordan's will likely show nominal increases over time once wax starts to dry up.IMO, I have to say it already is the "Mantle" of modern basketball cards.
some of you "all about the $$" guys need to get your Crystal Balls fixed...
you are ALL comparing the #1 card of all time....... with the very common and over hyped #4 card why???
the 2 cards arent even in the same league .......and Wagner blows away Mantle on the field too
there are less than 65 known T206 HoWagners total in any condition, with only 4-5 being EX or better (including the altered PSA-8), there are many thousands of the double printed 1952T Mantles with hundreds in NRMT+ condition....
The only card that may pass the value of that known trimmed Wagner in the PSA-8 slab is the #2 card, the 1914 Balt News Babe Ruth card (less than 15 exist) if there was such a thing as a PSA-8 Balt News Babe Ruth it may go for well over $2.8 Mil...as it should, but there is no such thing....
If there was ever a PSA-8 T206 JDoyle "NY Ntl" it would also go for more dumb $$ than the Mantle that PSA decided to punch in a "1" and a "0" when they programed their printer to print that flip. Anyone with a brain that actually works known that a PSA-8.5, PSA-9, PSA-9.5, and PSA-10 are really all the same exact card, a MINT card, ....oh, and that Christmas and Easter are fairy tails.... but thats for another thread....
you "Plastic Worshipers" are funny, thanks for the laugh ... again
the so called "PSA-8 Wagner" before its "tummy tuck" and before PSA had their " Biggest Screw Up of All Time!"
<< <i>some of you "all about the $$" guys need to get your Crystal Balls fixed...
you are ALL comparing the #1 card of all time....... with the very common and over hyped #4 card why???
the 2 cards arent even in the same league .......and Wagner blows away Mantle on the field too
there are less than 65 known T206 HoWagners total in any condition, with only 4-5 being EX or better (including the altered PSA-8), there are many thousands of the double printed 1952T Mantles with hundreds in NRMT+ condition....
The only card that may pass the value of that known trimmed Wagner in the PSA-8 slab is the #2 card, the 1914 Balt News Babe Ruth card (less than 15 exist) if there was such a thing as a PSA-8 Balt News Babe Ruth it may go for well over $2.8 Mil...as it should, but there is no such thing....
If there was ever a PSA-8 T206 JDoyle "NY Ntl" it would also go for more dumb $$ than the Mantle that PSA decided to punch in a "1" and a "0" when they programed their printer to print that flip. Anyone with a brain that actually works known that a PSA-8.5, PSA-9, PSA-9.5, and PSA-10 are really all the same exact card, a MINT card, ....oh, and that Christmas and Easter are fairy tails.... but thats for another thread....
you "Plastic Worshipers" are funny, thanks for the laugh ... again
the so called "PSA-8 Wagner" before its "tummy tuck" and before PSA had their " Biggest Screw Up of All Time!" >>
Like I said earlier, it isn't all about rarity.
Sometimes the "facts" matter less than "perception"--what we think to be true and what we believe others believe is true can be more important than the truth itself.
Steve I am assuming you are joking with that comment. Any collectible is a hard asset. Wine, gold and silver, art, sports memorabilia, etc.
Wine and art have been the best performing asset classes for years. No clue if it continues but paper assets such as stocks and bonds have been shunned by many investors in favor of physical assets.
If you take the return of the Honus Wagner from 1985 when it was $25,000 it has been mind boggling. It has appreciated 11,200%. Not bad.
Ron I think longer term all Mantle 1952 Topps cards will continue to climb. Perhaps my price forecast is too optimistic and perhaps it is not. If Mantle was in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform this would be a completely different conversation. There are a quite a few extremely wealthy New York Yankees fans and this would be one of the ultimate bragging rights pieces.
I could see a card like that getting auctioned off and ending up in the hands of someone that has very few if any baseball cards or sports cards and simply see it as a tremendous piece of American history and display it as art. Keep in mind there are pieces of art that have sold for over 150 million so to the right person I think it is very possible the number blows everyone's mind.
Obviously I am not in the market for such a card but it only takes just a few who are and the bidding war begins.
<< <i>when one of those mantles PSA 10's hit the market it will top 3 million and make everybody elses 52 mantles go up!!!!. PSA 1's will be like $7500 >>
I agree with the first part of this. Its all about ego. We all know millionaire collectors are everywhere, and not just in the sports memorabilia world. I bet if a PSA 10 '52 Mantle went up for auction it would command 3 million easily. Billy Crystal pops in my head as a possible bidder. Lebron, Jaz-Z, Jack Nicholas are some others. Its like owning the Mona Lisa.
...oh, and ill take the Mantle all day long over the Wagner
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<< <i>i disagree thunderdan!! the jordan will go up as people who were in like 10 years old in the 90's watching him play will want his rookie card. it will be the 52 mantle of the future. >>
Of course you disagree since you are currently shamelessly hawking a PSA 10 Jordan on B/S/T. :-)
<< <i>hey do you like giveing the newb's a hard time? >>
Yes.
<< <i>the jordan will go up as people who were in like 10 years old in the 90's watching him play will want his rookie card. it will be the 52 mantle of the future. >>
I agree that the popularity of the 86 Fleer Jordan will increase as time goes on BUT high grade prices being realized today already have that "future price" factored in, if that makes any sense. Still, high grade 86 Fleer Jordan's will likely show nominal increases over time once wax starts to dry up.IMO, I have to say it already is the "Mantle" of modern basketball cards.
you are ALL comparing the #1 card of all time....... with the very common and over hyped #4 card why???
the 2 cards arent even in the same league .......and Wagner blows away Mantle on the field too
there are less than 65 known T206 HoWagners total in any condition, with only 4-5 being EX or better (including the altered PSA-8),
there are many thousands of the double printed 1952T Mantles with hundreds in NRMT+ condition....
The only card that may pass the value of that known trimmed Wagner in the PSA-8 slab is the #2 card, the 1914 Balt News Babe Ruth card (less than 15 exist)
if there was such a thing as a PSA-8 Balt News Babe Ruth it may go for well over $2.8 Mil...as it should, but there is no such thing....
If there was ever a PSA-8 T206 JDoyle "NY Ntl" it would also go for more dumb $$ than the Mantle that PSA decided to punch in a "1" and a "0" when they programed their printer to print that flip. Anyone with a brain that actually works known that a PSA-8.5, PSA-9, PSA-9.5, and PSA-10 are really all the same exact card, a MINT card, ....oh, and that Christmas and Easter are fairy tails.... but thats for another thread....
you "Plastic Worshipers" are funny, thanks for the laugh ... again
the so called "PSA-8 Wagner" before its "tummy tuck" and before PSA had their " Biggest Screw Up of All Time!"
<< <i>some of you "all about the $$" guys need to get your Crystal Balls fixed...
you are ALL comparing the #1 card of all time....... with the very common and over hyped #4 card why???
the 2 cards arent even in the same league .......and Wagner blows away Mantle on the field too
there are less than 65 known T206 HoWagners total in any condition, with only 4-5 being EX or better (including the altered PSA-8),
there are many thousands of the double printed 1952T Mantles with hundreds in NRMT+ condition....
The only card that may pass the value of that known trimmed Wagner in the PSA-8 slab is the #2 card, the 1914 Balt News Babe Ruth card (less than 15 exist)
if there was such a thing as a PSA-8 Balt News Babe Ruth it may go for well over $2.8 Mil...as it should, but there is no such thing....
If there was ever a PSA-8 T206 JDoyle "NY Ntl" it would also go for more dumb $$ than the Mantle that PSA decided to punch in a "1" and a "0" when they programed their printer to print that flip. Anyone with a brain that actually works known that a PSA-8.5, PSA-9, PSA-9.5, and PSA-10 are really all the same exact card, a MINT card, ....oh, and that Christmas and Easter are fairy tails.... but thats for another thread....
you "Plastic Worshipers" are funny, thanks for the laugh ... again
the so called "PSA-8 Wagner" before its "tummy tuck" and before PSA had their " Biggest Screw Up of All Time!"
Like I said earlier, it isn't all about rarity.
Sometimes the "facts" matter less than "perception"--what we think to be true and what we believe others believe is true can be more important than the truth itself.
Dpeck: love your bullishness on the Mantle. I'll swing a deal for one of the 10's at $1-1.5 million & sell to you for $2 million. Sound good?
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
But youse guys watch it.
Wine and art have been the best performing asset classes for years. No clue if it continues but paper assets such as stocks and bonds have been shunned by many investors in favor of physical assets.
If you take the return of the Honus Wagner from 1985 when it was $25,000 it has been mind boggling. It has appreciated 11,200%. Not bad.
Ron I think longer term all Mantle 1952 Topps cards will continue to climb. Perhaps my price forecast is too optimistic and perhaps it is not. If Mantle was in a Milwaukee Brewers uniform this would be a completely different conversation. There are a quite a few extremely wealthy New York Yankees fans and this would be one of the ultimate bragging rights pieces.
I could see a card like that getting auctioned off and ending up in the hands of someone that has very few if any baseball cards or sports cards and simply see it as a tremendous piece of American history and display it as art. Keep in mind there are pieces of art that have sold for over 150 million so to the right person I think it is very possible the number blows everyone's mind.
Obviously I am not in the market for such a card but it only takes just a few who are and the bidding war begins.
Buying Vintage, all sports.
Buying Woody Hayes, Les Horvath, Vic Janowicz, and Jesse Owens autographed items
<< <i>when one of those mantles PSA 10's hit the market it will top 3 million and make everybody elses 52 mantles go up!!!!. PSA 1's will be like $7500 >>
I agree with the first part of this. Its all about ego. We all know millionaire collectors are everywhere, and not just in the sports memorabilia world. I bet if a PSA 10 '52 Mantle went up for auction it would command 3 million easily. Billy Crystal pops in my head as a possible bidder. Lebron, Jaz-Z, Jack Nicholas are some others. Its like owning the Mona Lisa.
...oh, and ill take the Mantle all day long over the Wagner