how much would a PSA 10 52 topps mantle be worth if it went up for auction?
sam1952
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I am guessing more then the T206 wagner your thoughts?
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<< <i>i bet if that card hit the auction block it would set a knew record for the most expensive baseball card in the hobby >>
I'm STILLnot going to sell it!!!
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
12/14/06 Memory Lane $282,588.00
And for a Wagner it's a "PSA 8":
9/5/07 SCP $2,800,000.00 Private sale not in auction
Doug
Liquidating my collection for the 3rd and final time. Time for others to enjoy what I have enjoyed over the last several decades. Money could be put to better use.
1. Rarity. Wagner clearly wins here; depending on who you ask, there are anywhere between 50 and 200 copies known to exist in ANY condition, and none have been on eBay in the past 15 days or are on there right now. On the other hand, even after taking into account that many cases of 1952 Topps High Numbers landed at the bottom of the ocean, over 30 Mantles either have been offered on eBay in the past 15 days or are listed right now. It is true that a Wagner is more likely to be consigned to an auction house rather than go on eBay, but without checking the listings for all of the auction houses right now, I think it is safe to assume that the Mantle is "widely" available, relatively speaking. Additionally, there is only one PSA 8 Wagner, but there is more than one PSA 10 Mantle. Win goes to Wagner on this round.
2. Age. The Wagner card had to survive an extra 4+ decades to even EXIST today. Win goes to Wagner
3. Player popularity. Admittedly, this is an oversimplification, but: Today, only handcore baseball fans and baseball card collectors know the name Honus Wagner, but the vast majority of Americans have heard of Mickey Mantle. The relative popularity of Mantle is important both when considering the pool of people who would want the card and the outlook of whoever buys the card (how many people will want it 50 years from now when I go to sell it again?). Win goes to Mantle
4. Hobby stature. This is probably the stickiest and most important of the four points I am considering. Together, the Mantle and the Wagner have existed as the two holy grails of the hobby for the past 20-30 years since collecting really took off; this is not to say that other cards are not more rare, it is to say that the consensus of opinion in the hobby has been that these are THE two cards to have. Someone who would argue for the Mantle might say that this card is the key card from the first regular issue Topps baseball set, the Topps set that really began to make Topps what it is today, and that, coupled with Mantle's place in baseball history, make a PSA 10 of this card the more expensive.
However, this is my argument for the Wagner: Wagner has always been the most expensive card in the hobby, beginning when Burdick established it as such in the ACC and through to the present day when the PSA 8's record sale price of $2.8 million. Wagner is the benchmark for the hobby, it always has been and it always will be, and thus I think that if a PSA 10 Mantle went up for auction, the bidders would ask themselves if the baseball card hobby benchmark--the T206 Wagner--should really be dethroned before they bid more than whatever the most recent sale price on the PSA 8 Wagner is. I think the answer would be "no," and thus I think Wagner wins the fourth and pivotal round.
Match goes to Wagner.
This is an ego card and a super rich individual will want to own it. Many saw Mantle play and he is their generations adored baseball legend.
Hard assets in many cases are on fire and a hand full of mega wealthy people will see this is a great investment.
It is a toss up between the two but a PSA 10 would easily command 2 million and perhaps much more.
The PSA 8 Wagner, well we all know about that card.
IOW, Scott is correct. And props for the DrEvil reference.....
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I disagree with this analysis. The OP specifically stated a PSA 10 Mantle, but did not specify what grade Wagner. The conditional rarity of the Mantle makes it a much more scarce card than all Wagners. There are 50-200 Wagners thought to exist in any grade, but there are probably not 200 PSA 10 Mantles in existence. The win (between a "run of the mill" Wagner and a gem mint 10 Mantle) clearly goes to Mantle here.
Think of it like this......if you had unlimited funds, and wished to aquire 3 Wagners, and 3 gem mint PSA 10 Mantles as soon as possible, which would you be able to purchase faster?
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Side to side centering on the lower half of the card is indeed way off. Everything else looks killer. And hey, it looks to be full size too!
That card is super clean. The corners are razor sharp. If that card was a common everyone would be fine with that getting a PSA 9.
That is not a PSA 7 by any means.
That card has Gem Mint qualities. The borders are snow white, the card is super crisp, the corners are beyond razor sharp and the centering is in the range of 60/40.
This is a card from 1952 in razor sharp condition. Sorry a PSA 7 with banged up corners and perfect centering is no where near as impressive in my book.
This card will sell for $500K easy. They made huge money on this buy.
<< <i>Dpeck are you kidding that is a uggly 9 that card has a major tilt look at the left border that is nasty 9. maybe a nice 9OC. or straight 7. >>
If I owned that card and sent it to PSA to be graded and it came back a PSA 7, I would be pi$$ed!
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<< <i>anybody ever pays 500k for that card is seriously stupid. >>
Aside from Snooky and the Kardashians, there aren't too many people that could drop $500 large on a card that I would call "stupid." They may not be wise for doing so, but you don't accumulate wealth and keep it by being "stupid." Now, if guys in the NBA or the NFL did it, I'd call them stupid because more than 60% are bankrupt within 4 years of being out of the sport and that leads us back to the accumulating wealth and KEEPING it point...
<< <i>It's only increased in value since breaking the 7 figure mark >>
I'm not sure about that, I recall it going down since Gretzky owned it.
Maybe someone else can confirm this?
What the vast majority are missing is that Mickey Mantle is a global icon and his collectibles are in global demand.
Just recently Marilyn Monroe photos just sold for record prices. This is a global market and buyers like the Koreans for example love pop culture icons. Keep in mind this is US history.
Mantle is the ultimate pop culture icon in my opinion in the last 60 years. There are a lot of buyers for a PSA 10 Rookie. I have said it a few times but remember this is one of the ultimate hard assets.
The Mickey Mantle rookie card has been the most sought after baseball card for a number of years. The 2 million mark will get smashed if this hits auction.
1952 Topps Mickey Mantle, PSA Gem Mint 10 $275,000 - 2001 Private sale
So.......in 10 years, how did the Mantle go from being worth far less than the Wagner to being worth more?
(according to some people's opinions in this thread, anyway)
<< <i>not like that uggly crappy 9 from the john branca collection >>
Don't be too tough on PSA grades on high-profile cards. You've got a PSA 10 Jordan RC currently listed on B/S/T that doesn't have the greatest centering.
<< <i>We are talking about cards that are the pinnacle of the hobby.
What the vast majority are missing is that Mickey Mantle is a global icon and his collectibles are in global demand.
Just recently Marilyn Monroe photos just sold for record prices. This is a global market and buyers like the Koreans for example love pop culture icons. Keep in mind this is US history.
Mantle is the ultimate pop culture icon in my opinion in the last 60 years. There are a lot of buyers for a PSA 10 Rookie. I have said it a few times but remember this is one of the ultimate hard assets.
The Mickey Mantle rookie card has been the most sought after baseball card for a number of years. The 2 million mark will get smashed if this hits auction. >>
Bah- it's all Monopoly money. Think about the runaway inflation we've seen in the past year after the Fed ended QE2. Oh wait...
-The most expensive bat, from babe ruths first homerun, that sold for like $1.3 million.
-The babe ruth baltimore rookie has sold for crazy money, $400 or $500 k.
-Has the 51 bowman mantle psa 10 traded? Isn't that $750 k, or $1 million.
Then you add, the 52 topps mystic, only 3 in the world, hot economy (looking for collectibles, a hard asset). I dont know....it seems like a combination that could produce $1-1.5 million. The second one might sell for less. But the first that comes up for auction, I don't know.
Another factor, how often do they ever come up for sale? It could be a looooong time, or never.
Compared to a wagner, which is usually at least every few years, in a grade of 1 or 2. You might have to wait 6 months to buy a wagner?
You might have to wait 5, 10 years for a mantle? It could spell, $1.5, 1.7, $2 million. The fact that they've been put away for so long, means it could go very high.
There have been *22 Wagner cards graded by PSA... the highest grade being an 8 (the card in question), and the next highest grade is a 5 (one card), then the next is 3 (two cards).
There have been *1,059 Mantle cards graded by PSA... the highest grade being a 10 (three lucky bastages), seven 9s, two 8.5s, thirty 8s, and so on.
The Wagner is WAAAAAY more rare than the Mantle in that kind of condition. The Wagner is the "Holy Grail". Mantle wouldn't touch $2.8M. My opinion.
*Number of total cards subject to crack-out curve.
If the Wagner PSA 8 sold at auction right now and sold for a new record price of lets say $4 Million or...
The 1952 Mantle PSA 10 sold for the same amt. of about $3-$4 Million...
What would these 2 record setting auctions do for the under graded cards that exist?
Would we be looking at $800,000 for a Mantle in say a PSA 8 grade....$100,000 for a Mantle in a PSA 2? Or even a Wagner in a PSA 2 for $1,000,000?
Just wondering as I'm still relatively new to cards.
Paul.
Later, Paul.
<< <i>Mantle is the ultimate pop culture icon in my opinion in the last 60 years >>
I have to disagree and say that Michael Jordan and Muhammed Ali are more well known outside of the sports world than Mantle. If we're simply describing "pop culture", Mantle has nothing on Elvis or Michael Jackson.
<< <i>maybe 30 years from now the PSA 10 jordans will be worth 100k >>
Sammy, come on, be serious. The Jordan PSA 10 has nowhere to go but down. There is still plenty of supply out there for more 10s.
<< <i>What would these 2 record setting auctions do for the under graded cards that exist? >>
Great question, I would believe that any Wagner cards that come up for sale typically yield higher prices than their predecessors in equal grade.
As for Mantle cards, there will be consistently more being graded as cards come up for sale from Baby Boomers that need more money or families that inherited them. I can't say the same for the T206 Wagner.