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Need help with an 1800 Half Cent - planchet error?

My main numismatic focus is currency but I also like the Draped Bust series of Quarters and Walking Liberty Halves. I was offered this Draped Bust 1800 half cent by a dealer and he would not give me a price (he has a store that caries a bunch of other stuff and some coins). He said for me to take it home and do some research, so, I am coming to the place I trust the most for research ... you all.

Feel free to respond here on this thread or send me a PM.

What would you grade this coin?
The edge flaw looks like a planchett flaw - is it?
What would be a fair price to expand into these half cents?"

Thank you for your time!!

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    Coin looks like a damaged AU-50. I wouldn't offer him more than $200. JMO
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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭
    AU50... Planchet flaw ???
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    notwilightnotwilight Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭
    Probably a planchet flaw. Would be worth a lot more in a pcgs holder. you'd have to find someone who considered the planchet flaw cool rather than distracting. Otherwise a nice AU coin. the reverse is very nice. I like the open/sparse look of the 1800 half cent, unlike any other. --Jerry
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    Planchet flaw
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    notice what kind of looks like a blakesley effect opposite the planchet flaw. i`m no expert but i say its a legit flaw. i would like to see fred chime in on this one. add "error" in your title and it might catch his eye.image
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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't think I could love it. I would return it.

    But if you're fine with it then it doesn't matter what anyone else says. Ask him for his best price.
    Lance.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say a legitimate planchet flaw, but real ugly.
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>notice what kind of looks like a blakesley effect opposite the planchet flaw. i`m no expert but i say its a legit flaw. i would like to see fred chime in on this one. add "error" in your title and it might catch his eye.image >>



    It's not a clip and there's no blakesley effect present.

    Beyond the flaw this 1/2 cent to me looks like it was cleaned in the past and has re-toned somewhat blotchy.
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    << <i>notice what kind of looks like a blakesley effect opposite the planchet flaw. i`m no expert but i say its a legit flaw. i would like to see fred chime in on this one. add "error" in your title and it might catch his eye.image >>



    It's not a clip and there's no blakesley effect present.

    Beyond the flaw this 1/2 cent to me looks like it was cleaned in the past and has re-toned somewhat blotchy. >>




    i`m not saying its a clip but don`t you see a flatness in the rim opposite the planchet flaw???
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>i`m not saying its a clip but don`t you see a flatness in the rim opposite the planchet flaw??? >>



    Just looks like a rim bruise, not a rim clip.
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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,030 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I suspect that there is a long flaw running through the planchet strip and thus the coin that caused a big problem on the left and a lesser problem on the right.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,599 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I suspect that there is a long flaw running through the planchet strip and thus the coin that caused a big problem on the left and a lesser problem on the right. >>



    Agree---there was some contaminate or foreign matter in the ingot of copper that was rolled out and the planchet was punched from. This coin would appeal more to an error collector than to an early copper collector.


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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say that it is a planchet flaw, and on half cents from this era, that is not necessarily a good thing. Roger Cohen, author of the half cent die variety book, “Little Half Sisters,” indicated that the 1800 half cent planchet stock was from rolled out large cents that were too poor to issued and manufactured flans that were produced by the English firm, Boulton. My guess is that this piece was made from the rolled out large cent stock.

    The coin has AU detail, but it has been cleaned and re-colored. Probably the strongest collector interest in this piece would be from a half cent specialist who would be intrigued by the planchet flaw. Since there is a only die variety for the 1800 half cents, this might be something that an advanced collector would like. More generalist collectors would shy away from it. The $200 estimate cited earlier would be all the money and then some in my opinion. I’d say $150 to $175 would be more like, but then I tend to be conservative when it comes to early coin with manufacturing flaws.

    I will say this. A flaw like this is unusual for Draped Bust half cents. Usually the planchets that were used to make them were generally better quality.
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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 33,206 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i agree with what perry hall said image

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