ALL 25th Anniversary sealed sets should get FS - Petition.

goldbuffalo · December 10, 2011 7:12AM

Who's with me ?

PCGS should declare ALL - 2011 25th Anniversary Silver Eagle Sets - First Strike, if they come in a sealed box, no matter what the ship date.

They've done this for other coins.

I mean, a same day, less then 24hr sellout, and the people who, after trying ALL day long to get a set, finally get a set and because of that luck/bad luck, they are not eligible for FS, just because their order when through at 6:15PM or later instead of 6:15PM or earlier.

C'mon Man.

khayse · December 10, 2011 7:13AM

Seconded!

-Keith

illini420 · December 10, 2011 7:14AM

I think anyone willing to pay $18 extra for a coin should be able to get any two words printed on their labels

CCC2010 · December 10, 2011 7:20AM

For what its worth i know a couple of forum members who's been praying everyday that their set gets mailed to them by the US Mint processing center before the PCGS FS deadline. But the US Mint was really so slow in processing and sending out these sets to those that were not lucky enough to get their orders placed earlier than the rest so they missed the deadline by a day or two or three... So Why not PCGS? More revenues coming your way. Just saying...

LowBudget · December 10, 2011 7:26AM

I posted this in Oct I agree!!!

magikbilly · December 10, 2011 7:29AM

When does it matter if we agree to all call something by a misleading name and why?
Eric

Zubie · December 10, 2011 7:38AM

Agree as well, as long as the box is sealed. All sets should be shipped this week anyway!?!

RedHerring · December 10, 2011 8:06AM

My sister's set shipped yesterday, 12/09/2011. She has missed the FS deadline.

GRANDAM · December 10, 2011 8:10AM

Without rules there will surely be rioting in the streets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GrandAm

OPA · December 10, 2011 8:15AM

Forget it. This is one of the reasons, that the label demands a premium.

Gemineye · December 10, 2011 9:09AM

<< Without rules there will surely be rioting in the streets!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GrandAm

>>

......Absolutely..............these newbe Occupiers have gotta go........!!!!!!!

wondercoin · December 10, 2011 9:17AM

Why would anyone want PCGS to violate the clear rules they established for their "First Strike" definition?

As I understand it, the only time ALL the coins are "First Strike" qualified is when the Mint ships out ALL the coins in the first 30 days. Just as the Mint did with the 2009 $100 Proof Platinum coin.

Here, the Mint clearly did NOT ship all the coins in the first 30 days. And, as much as I would like the boxes I am getting in next week to be "First Strike" coins, they simply do not meet the established definition from PCGS on "First Strike". It's as simple as that ... isn't it?

Wondercoin

illini420 · December 10, 2011 9:25AM

<< Why would anyone want PCGS to violate the clear rules they established for their "First Strike" definition?

As I understand it, the only time ALL the coins are "First Strike" qualified is when the Mint ships out ALL the coins in the first 30 days. Just as the Mint did with the 2009 $100 Proof Platinum coin.

Here, the Mint clearly did NOT ship all the coins in the first 30 days. And, as much as I would like the boxes I am getting in next week to be "First Strike" coins, they simply do not meet the established definition from PCGS on "First Strike". It's as simple as that ... isn't it?

Wondercoin >>

It's the opinion of some collectors that they already violated their First Strike definition by allowing the FS designation on the bullion, proof and 2011-W burnished coins in the 25th anniversary sets since those coins were already released earlier in the year and their FS deadlines had already passed.

But apparently, the definiton was interpreted such that the coins being reissued in a set that was sold later in the year somehow made them new coins subject to a new FS deadline...

shorecoll · December 10, 2011 9:33AM

I don't really care but it seems to me, by definition that these were all STRUCK in a very short period of time, the labels only mean first mailed. I would have been equally happy if there was no such thing as first strike for these at all.

wondercoin · December 10, 2011 9:34AM

illini420 ... PCGS did exactly what they did in 2006 with the 20th anniv sets. They are showing a 25th Anniv Set FS label just as in 2006 with showing the 20th Anniv set label (and having previously released coins earlier in 2006). Why was no one complaining in 2006?

Wondercoin

Dice21 · December 10, 2011 9:57AM

Hello, Not trying to pee into anyones punch bowl here!...........Where do you draw the line ?? PCGS has had those rules in place for sometime now. In addition they also allow sealed sets to be sent in years later (if the date is correct).......If they allow this extension you seek then where does it stop??...........the next mint offering??...........silver eagles from every year??............gold buffalo's with any ship date??......Your argument should be with the US MINT! But frankly I would consider myself lucky to have received sets at all !!...........If FS is very important to you then trade your box with someone who could care less about FS..........again not trying to start an issue here but sometimes you have to be thankful for what you did get

............as always IMO

chipper10 · December 10, 2011 10:36AM

I have a better idea- Let's petition PCGS to get rid of the deceptive First Strike designation altogether. Give me one- just one MEANINGFUL area it differentiates the FS coin in as being more desirable than the non FS coin and I'll sign your petition to keep it. And when a coin was shipped is absolutely NOT linked to the quality of the coin(s) in any way, shape or form. FS is shameful.

shorecoll · December 10, 2011 10:44AM

I know this would cause a nightmare, but have the first thousand (or whatever) customers of any issue have the option of having orders shipped directly to the TPG of their choice. Those could be mint-designated first strikes which might be meaningful, and you wouldn't have to worry about whether the UPS guy ripped your box.

illini420 · December 10, 2011 10:54AM

<< illini420 ... PCGS did exactly what they did in 2006 with the 20th anniv sets. They are showing a 25th Anniv Set FS label just as in 2006 with showing the 20th Anniv set label (and having previously released coins earlier in 2006). Why was no one complaining in 2006?

Wondercoin >>

I didn't join until 2008

But more seriously, I don't know why those that go for the FS designation didn't raise the issue back then... maybe some did? In any event, bending the clearly defined FS definition solely because they did so in the past isn't the best reason to do so again.

wondercoin · December 10, 2011 11:44AM

They did not bend any rule in the past and by allowing fs on the coins being shipped after 12/7 would require the bending of the rules now which is not likely to happen. Wondercoin

pontiacinf · December 10, 2011 11:45AM

I thought all political threads were banned.

this thread really has no purpose, cept those who did not make the cut wanting to maximize profits

not what this board is about-play by the rules-make the cut fine-if not-

GOTO THE OPEN FORUM AND COMPLAIN THERE!

Gemineye · December 10, 2011 11:47AM

<< I know this would cause a nightmare, but have the first thousand (or whatever) customers of any issue have the option of having orders shipped directly to the TPG of their choice. Those could be mint-designated first strikes which might be meaningful, and you wouldn't have to worry about whether the UPS guy ripped your box. >>

shorecoll....I have thought of that scenario and suggested it a while ago..but I'm glad that it would not be possible.We have just witnessed the fiasco of the 25th Anniversary sets where big orders and mint "glitches" added to a dilemma of collectors waiting on-line for hours and hours to place an order.I believe a fairer way in a situation such as this is to have a window of time to order and then a lottery of which multiple and exreme multiples are discarded and then and only then can a release date be issued.
First strike is another issue.......

pontiacinf · December 10, 2011 11:48AM

small note-later date shippments also may denote repackaged reshipped to fill demand

I wouldnt want those marked FS

Dice21 · December 10, 2011 12:34PM

Well, The other aspect of later orders being filled would be orders returned by "normal" people

..........not coin re-sellers.........From what I hear alot of these coins were just floating around in the shipping boxes........it would not surprise me that the mint would inspect and repackage these returns on this order.......Yes I know the mint say's they do not do this!!...........but any other explaination for late orders being filled????..........Take no offense at the "normal" description as I am sure folks that have never heard of this forum did buy coins...............abeit it would be more than stupid to return based upon sales prices but I am sure some have done just that..........

LowBudget · December 10, 2011 1:11PM

<< Agree as well, as long as the box is sealed. All sets should be shipped this week anyway!?! >>

boxes dont even have to be sealed within the 30 day mark

Bochiman · December 10, 2011 1:43PM

PCGS has stayed within the rules they set.
They have stated the rules and everyone can read them.
It is what it is and people always seem to try to change things to fit their own desires.

Any suggestion that the USMint get involved, in any way/form, in shipping straight to a TPGS, is one of the worst suggestions I could imagine for a collector/the hobby.

People need to get the greed out of their eyes and move forward and focus. Even flippers are fine...it's the pure greed of some that is sickening. That's all the suggestion to send straight to a TPGS could be born of.....greed.

Dice21 · December 10, 2011 1:45PM

Hi, Yes boxes have to be sealed for ALL coins to receive 25th designation.........unsealed for just the 2 coins 'S' and the RP....................

seateddime · December 10, 2011 1:50PM

I am guessing that PCGS would say this is not a democracy.

I think most buyers getting a set will assume just that anyways so who cares what the holder says?

goldbuffalo · December 10, 2011 2:29PM

ALL 2010 5oz 'bullion' coins are FS eligible. To This Day !!!

Who remembers why?

I'll save you the trouble of figuring it out.

The reason was because the ONLY coins that would have been eligible would have been the ones that Apmex pre sold.

Zrider · December 10, 2011 2:50PM

I agree they are all first strike, and just because the mint didnt ship to people in time for them to get first strike, makes it all that much better for the people who did get them in time. If they all got first strike.. would that make them more desirable? JMO the mint should start a real FIRST STRIKE ,, meaning the first coin struck..and only one,, and auction it.
Or Maybe.. First Hundred Thousand Struck.

JohnInLBC · December 10, 2011 3:02PM

Not going to happen. The Mint could have done a better job shipping them sooner, but the rules are the rules. Just a bad break.

NJKen · December 10, 2011 3:07PM

This is why all the kids on the team now get trophies...

People please realize that the people that received or were shipped their coins after the 7th were on back order status. In other words be happy that you received them, with or without the FS availability label. A back order can go on for months after the initial release as returns and such have the potential to draw out the process. If PCGS allowed First Strike labels at any time, there would be absolutely no incentive to purchase them. Personally the whole exclusiveness of the 30 day window is the only reason I sent mine in, and if they changed that well... I would be taking that up with PCGS and my credit card company.

goldbuffalo · December 10, 2011 4:33PM

<< This is why all the kids on the team now get trophies...

People please realize that the people that received or were shipped their coins after the 7th were on back order status. In other words be happy that you received them, with or without the FS availability label. A back order can go on for months after the initial release as returns and such have the potential to draw out the process. If PCGS allowed First Strike labels at any time, there would be absolutely no incentive to purchase them. Personally the whole exclusiveness of the 30 day window is the only reason I sent mine in, and if they changed that well... I would be taking that up with PCGS and my credit card company. >>

You must not have read my previous post:

ALL 2010 5oz 'bullion' coins are FS eligible. To This Day !!!

Crocidile65 · December 10, 2011 7:06PM

I want a last Strike label. I think it would be worth more then a FS.

jmski52 · December 10, 2011 8:50PM

The ruling that you want to petition for would have as much meaning in terms of the coin itself as does the designation you want. It has little to do with the coin quality, or are you not aware of that?

JedPlanchet · December 10, 2011 8:56PM

Maybe they should have called it "Lucky Strike" instead ...

1tommy · December 10, 2011 9:15PM

Okay went to the neigbors house to look at his two boxes, one came to his house one to a post office box. His to the house has a date on the outside of the box, the one from the P O Box does not. Now I have already got my three sets back and I am ALMOST postive inside the box returned from our host was the piece of paper that was INSIDE the original box. That is the one I looked at and on it was the date oct 27 which was my order date. Does anyone have there packaging receipt still? If there is no date on the outside of the one box than how is our host able to verify? I am thinking they must go off the packaging slip? Enjoy

jhdfla · December 10, 2011 9:20PM

<< Maybe they should have called it "Lucky Strike" instead ...

>>

Have it marketed by Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce

drei3ree · December 10, 2011 9:28PM

My sets missed the cutoff by 2 days. However, there needs to be a set of standards and what's in place now is already pretty loose.

pf70collector · December 10, 2011 10:21PM

No. You miss the FS date and you want to change the rules for everyone else. Forget about it. I have missed the FS deadline before on past issues. An example was the 2006 20th Anniversary Sets.

TwoSides2aCoin · December 10, 2011 10:48PM

excuse me for laughing and not showing that emotion.

shorecoll · December 10, 2011 10:52PM

Bochi, my comment was based on another thread where someone saw trays inside the mint labeled first strike...the only way to prove a "chain of evidence" that those coins are the exact same coins would be to have those trays (or coins from them) sent directly to a TPG, else once the package is open there is no way to know.

morgansforever · December 10, 2011 11:17PM

It's PCGS's house, you play by their rules.

fiveNdime · December 12, 2011 5:10AM

the keys dates are eligible for FS today... and tommorow.

<< I think anyone willing to pay $18 extra for a coin should be able to get any two words printed on their labels

>>

<< I have a better idea- Let's petition PCGS to get rid of the deceptive First Strike designation altogether. Give me one- just one MEANINGFUL area it differentiates the FS coin in as being more desirable than the non FS coin and I'll sign your petition to keep it. And when a coin was shipped is absolutely NOT linked to the quality of the coin(s) in any way, shape or form. FS is shameful. >>

a more meaningfull description should be considered!

PCGS is not to blame. they are merely players in this game, providing what customers will pay for.
if no one paid for it, i'd venture a guess that it would cease.

its all the hype surrounding something 'new' and being the first to own one.

it's the me-first/gimme-gimme NOW!!! crowd that are into such gimicks...
must be first Jones to have the new model car/cell phone/tech gadget/games/etc.

IrishMikey · December 12, 2011 7:05AM

Until such time as "First Strike" or anything similar is more than just a marketing tool
to attract the uninitiated, I am opposed to it. Everything whose main (or sole) goal is
to separate someone from their money should be viewed with suspicion.

leothelyon · December 12, 2011 10:33AM

<< This is why all the kids on the team now get trophies... >>

I don't care about a trophy. I don't even care about getting respect from 95% of those who claim to have high quality registry sets.

leothelyon · December 12, 2011 10:41AM

<< Bochi, my comment was based on another thread where someone saw trays inside the mint labeled first strike...the only way to prove a "chain of evidence" that those coins are the exact same coins would be to have those trays (or coins from them) sent directly to a TPG, else once the package is open there is no way to know. >>

I'm certain the US Mint could come up with a NICE sealed holder and inspect them with far superior diligence and why not, it's their product!

ALL 25th Anniversary sealed sets should get FS - Petition.

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