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PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
The PAN show (a state Show) has had there show on the same dates for over twenty years now.

Why is it that the ANA is steping on my show knowingly?

The ANA was a guest at our last May show to promote the ANA show in Pittsburgh, so they know first hand of the dates.

This is in NO way helping the coin collecting Hobby as the ANA claimes to do.

A number of the PAN dealers have to make the choice, and it is a hard choice to make since the ANA can and may hold it against them for missing a show. (Star rating).

Why is the ANA doing this?
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,548 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The PAN show (a state Show) has had there show on the same dates for over twenty years now.

    Why is it that the ANA is steping on my show knowingly?

    The ANA was a guest at our last May show to promote the ANA show in Pittsburgh, so they know first hand of the dates.

    This is in NO way helping the coin collecting Hobby as the ANA claimes to do.

    A number of the PAN dealers have to make the choice, and it is a hard choice to make since the ANA can and may hold it against them for missing a show. (Star rating).

    Why is the ANA doing this? >>



    One of the ANA govenors posts here on a regular basis and I'd like to hear why the ANA would do this. I can't believe they don't check for schedule conflicts with other major coin shows.





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    << <i>The PAN show (a state Show) has had there show on the same dates for over twenty years now.

    Why is it that the ANA is steping on my show knowingly? >>

    Big Fish Eat Smaller Fish



    << <i>The ANA was a guest at our last May show to promote the ANA show in Pittsburgh, so they know first hand of the dates. >>

    Sure they know. But, do they care?



    << <i>This is in NO way helping the coin collecting Hobby as the ANA claimes to do. >>

    I agree with you.



    << <i>A number of the PAN dealers have to make the choice, and it is a hard choice to make since the ANA can and may hold it against them for missing a show. (Star rating). >>

    I bet more choose the ANA.



    << <i>Why is the ANA doing this? >>

    Because they can and nobody seems to want to put in the effort it would take to stand up to them. I wish someone would.

    Are you a member of the PAN?
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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here is a possible explanation:

    There are coin shows, somewhere, every weekend in the summer and the only way to avoid all conflicts is to not have a show. Last year, there was a conflict with the Blue Ridge Numismatic Association (or whatever) coin show, and for that reason, many of the southeastern dealers did not attend the ANA. Next year, Pittsburgh. The following year, who knows?
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    << <i>Here is a possible explanation:

    There are coin shows, somewhere, every weekend in the summer and the only way to avoid all conflicts is to not have a show. Last year, there was a conflict with the Blue Ridge Numismatic Association (or whatever) coin show, and for that reason, many of the southeastern dealers did not attend the ANA. Next year, Pittsburgh. The following year, who knows? >>



    I think the OP is referring to the more recently formed ANA late-fall coin show. Plus, isn't PAN one of the larger coin shows held every year?
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    copperhuntercopperhunter Posts: 925 ✭✭✭
    The PAN show is one of the larger shows in the Pittsburgh area every year. This year the ANA show in Pittsburgh (which everyone said was the lousiest ANA in years) was held in conjunction with the PAN show.
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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I am a PAN member

    Also the show chairman. In other words I run the show!
    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


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    RYKRYK Posts: 35,801 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The PAN show is one of the larger shows in the Pittsburgh area every year. This year the ANA show in Pittsburgh (which everyone said was the lousiest ANA in years) was held in conjunction with the PAN show. >>


    Maybe the ANA is trying to get back at the PAN and the 'Burgh for a lousy show. image
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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This is a subject that gripes me to no end. When I 1st started doing coin shows almost 20 years ago show conflicts were all but non existant,especially regionally. I had no problems doing over 40 shows a year. Now there are times when I have to choose between 3 shows I would normally do! In many ways it does seem some of the bigger show promoters are trying to compete with other shows. Whitman has stepped on so many shows it isn't even funny anymore.
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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,968 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are conflicts all the time. It is real hard to schedule shows without one and we don't know the availability for the location the ANA was looking at.

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    Why do people even join the ANA? I collected coins in the 80's and 90's and never joined. I've never heard anything but complaints about the ANA. I got along just fine without them.

    It seems like people complain, then promptly pay their dues each year anyway. I don't get it.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,826 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not fan of the ANA and the way it does business with respect to its shows. My attitude is that they just don't care. image
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    It was likely a scheduling conflict, but I bet WTCGroup knows why...

    The convention center likely was difficult, but I think this is another reason Mr. Shepherd is no longer with the organization. The ANA was trying to be a corporate entity, and is now returning to its true, nonprofit roots it would seem.
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    joefrojoefro Posts: 1,872 ✭✭
    I used to be an ANA member but am no longer. I found that it wasn't serving its purpose as an organization to help me in my coin collecting. Sure I like reading the Numismatist (the only thing I miss sometimes) but even then I had a small stack I hadn't got around to reading and they are still there waiting for me years later. In my eyes, the ANA had turned into something that people became a member of, just so they could say "ANA member since 19XX" and it might help boost sales a bit. It is something like having a 100% feedback rating on eBay, or being in the Better Business Bureau as a company. However, you had to renew every year in order to honestly say that you had been a member since 19XX and I found it wasn't worth the cost (or benefit) of trying to maintain that for years and years continuously.
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    WTCGWTCG Posts: 8,940 ✭✭✭


    << <i>It was likely a scheduling conflict, but I bet WTCGroup knows why... >>



    Don't look at me...I've never even been to a PAN coin show. They don't seem to advertise the show dates far enough in advance.

    Coin shows happen virtually every week and once in a while a show or two will get stepped on. Schedule conflicts shouldn't happen if they can be avoided but sometimes they can't.
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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The show has had the same dates of over 20 years!

    It is currently an up and comming show getting better every year.

    Some of the reasons are:
    Kids zone for youth education
    FREE parking
    Free Admission
    Exhibits for adults
    Top Dealers so you can get everything from junk to high grade uncs.
    Supply dealer
    book dealer
    reasonable hotel rates
    great places to eat with out going broke.
    and more.......
    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,503 ✭✭✭✭
    What is PAN anyway? Pittsburgh Area Numismatics?

    Wouldn't that be kinda like FUN? If so, I think that it's in poor taste for the ANA to schedule a show during the same time frame. Just like I thought it was in poor taste for Whitman to schedule a show on top of the Santa Clara Coin Show.

    I decided to change calling the bathroom the John and renamed it the Jim. I feel so much better saying I went to the Jim this morning.



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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pennsylvaina Association of Numismatiats = PAN
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    PQueuePQueue Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    Have you brought it to the ANA's attention?
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    PTVETTERPTVETTER Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the ANA knew and know
    The ANA was in attendence at the last May show as my guest, no charge for the table.

    Those in attendence were from the exec section.
    Pat Vetter,Mercury Dime registry set,1938 Proof set registry,Pat & BJ Coins:724-325-7211


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    << <i>the ANA knew and know
    The ANA was in attendence at the last May show as my guest, no charge for the table.

    Those in attendence were from the exec section. >>




    Hopefully you learned your lesson.
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    blu62vetteblu62vette Posts: 11,968 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>the ANA knew and know
    The ANA was in attendence at the last May show as my guest, no charge for the table.

    Those in attendence were from the exec section. >>




    Hopefully you learned your lesson. >>



    Do you think they did this on purpose to hurt your show? I really doubt that.
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    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>the ANA knew and know
    The ANA was in attendence at the last May show as my guest, no charge for the table.

    Those in attendence were from the exec section. >>




    Hopefully you learned your lesson. >>



    Do you think they did this on purpose to hurt your show? I really doubt that. >>




    That wasn't my point. The point is, business is business. He threw out comps for the ANA, but they treat him like a competitor. So, that should be the last free table they get at his show, or he didn't learn the lesson properly.
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    FunwithMPLFunwithMPL Posts: 333 ✭✭✭
    Pat,

    I do beleave that the ANA is missing the boat with it's spring and fall show. I thought that both shows were to be with a state show at the state show site. The state show had room for a nice area for the ANA. I think that the state clubs should run the bourse floor and the ANA helps with the show not run it. What is going on now is not the best for anyone. That is why I did not come to the last fall show. I think that Monroeville is a great place for a show. And I will see you in May of 2012.

    Carl

    Collector
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    telephoto1telephoto1 Posts: 4,966 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't blame OP for being hacked off.
    I understand the "you can't schedule around EVERY show" argument, but an established statewide show that hasn't changed dates in a couple decades?
    Were I the show chair, I'd fire them off an irate email.

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    lunytune2lunytune2 Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The show has had the same dates of over 20 years!

    It is currently an up and comming show getting better every year.

    Some of the reasons are:
    Kids zone for youth education
    FREE parking
    Free Admission
    Exhibits for adults
    Top Dealers so you can get everything from junk to high grade uncs.
    Supply dealer
    book dealer
    reasonable hotel rates
    great places to eat with out going broke.
    and more....... >>



    I was looking forward to the ANA show but changed my mind last minute because of parking and admission , the money it would cost I can buy a nice coin .. I'm sticking with Pat and the PAN show !

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