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Suspicious 1932 S Quarter

I m looking at a 1932 S Quarter for somebody and though, hmm, it does not look quite right. So I put it under the microscope

Here is the picture


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    mbogomanmbogoman Posts: 5,347 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks to me like the S was scraped up and formed from the surrounding field. There appears to be a depression surrounding the S - more obvious in the large photo than in the closeup
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    if it helps, i have a PCGS MS64 w/ the same filled mintmark...
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    Looks good to me
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    SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it looks fine.

    Awesome close up pic by the way! ........but maybe you're looking too closely and starting to see things?

    .... looks circulated ...... can't see much upside on faking a low grade example .........
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    GrumpyEdGrumpyEd Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭
    Looks alright to me.

    The depression around the mintmark can be from when they punched the S into the die. It's the same effect as a meteor making a crater with a raised ring around it. The raised area on the die causes the depression on the coins.

    Ed
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    TomBTomB Posts: 23,313 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The mintmark is the correct style, the blob in the mintmark is common and the appearance that it is sitting in a depression is common. It looks good.
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,847 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Looks alright to me.

    The depression around the mintmark can be from when they punched the S into the die. It's the same effect as a meteor making a crater with a raised ring around it. The raised area on the die causes the depression on the coins. >>



    Yup---the depression is normal for the reason cited; however, it the die is polished, the depression is eliminated.

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    << <i>I think it looks fine.

    Awesome close up pic by the way! ........but maybe you're looking too closely and starting to see things?

    .... looks circulated ...... can't see much upside on faking a low grade example ......... >>



    Thanks for the comments. The large MM is with a Lighthouse USB scope while the right is with a Canon T3i. Maybe I am reading to much into it. Here is the story.

    When I looked at the coin under my 20x loupe it looked "funny". Another coin dealer looked at it under his scope and thought it was an added mint-mark. Try as I might, I just could not get a good picture of the coin at an angle. when taking a picture under the Lighthouse microscope I thought the "stuff" around the mint mark, especially on the left looked like debris from adding the MM. the jagged stuff just did not look right. I did not have a known real one to compare.

    So here I am looking for a 2nd, or 3rd opinion.
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    commoncents05commoncents05 Posts: 10,102 ✭✭✭
    I once had a dealer tell me regarding 32-S Quarters that if it looks bad, it's probably good.

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    looks like an added S

    maybe cut off another "S" coin

    then the coin in question had a little metal removed

    and the MM was added
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    does your microscope go beyond 200x?
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    kazkaz Posts: 9,394 ✭✭✭✭✭
    a couple of things concern me. It is my belief-- and someone please correct me if I am wrong-- that there are 2 reverse dies used for this issue. One has a distinct horizontal line over the D of dollar. The other has a die crack from the back of the eagle's head to the wing, along with heavy diagonal die polish lines right up to the mintmark, which sticks up boldly from the field. The one I have in front of me is the latter kind. The serifs of the S should be parallel. Hope this helps.
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    Lehigh96Lehigh96 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I once had a dealer tell me regarding 32-S Quarters that if it looks bad, it's probably good.

    -Paul >>



    According to John Feigenbaum from DLRC, that advice originated from John Hunter in the 70's.

    Genuine coins tend to display a crisp, high relief mintmark with distinct serifs that often sit within a slight depression. The mintmark’s sharp edges and high relief tend to contrast with the gently rising design features, such as the stems and lettering around it. This led one of my mentors, John Hunter of 1970’s ANACS (American Numismatic Association Certification Service) fame, to state, “If it looks good, it’s probably bad. And if it looks bad, it’s probably good!”

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    StaircoinsStaircoins Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭✭

    I have a '32-S in a PCGS holder that looks virtually identical to the coin in the OP. It's good.

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    morgandollar1878morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks good to me too.
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    ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have one in F 12 or 15. The mintmark on your image looks fine to me.
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    The depression (or valley) around the mintmark looks totally real.......This depression does not appear on a 32 plain..............unless somebody scraped the D off to insert an S image
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    << <i>.
    looks like an added S

    maybe cut off another "S" coin

    then the coin in question had a little metal removed

    and the MM was added
    .
    does your microscope go beyond 200x?
    . >>



    200x is the max
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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,847 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most added mintmarks are glued on. A soak in acetone will usually cause an added mintmark to come off without any damage to the coin. This won't work with soldered or embossed mintmarks.

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