NEW IMAGES 1958-D Franklin MS66 NGC crossover to PCGS questions

coinsarefun · November 22, 2011 5:27AM

<<<<<UPDATE BELOW>>>>>

Below are some images.............as cruddy as they are this is a very clean Franklin.
Under a loupe and my Dino scope I see no rubs, scratches or hits.....maybe a weak strike?

Anyways its in a MS66 NGC holder NO Full Bell

It appears to me to have FBL lines.

Question....what's the best way to crossover and try for FBL?

Send in slab with minimum MS66FBL or take a chance and crack it out?

Usually, I just crack and submit but I feel confident that its full bell, but not confident it will 66 again as there are many scratches on the slab
and without seeing it raw I cannot be confident it will 66

This is the closest I can get to a full image without reflection but does not show color and the scratch you see is on the slab

The rest show color and the last shows a up close image of the bell lines, but even with the dino lite it can't see through the scratches either

<<<<<UPDATE>>>>>.....remember these images are shot through the slab, I do not see any hits or scratches other than on the obverse
a redding hit in he=is hair.

I have some new images, do you think it will cross to PCGS as a MS66 and what change do I have at a FBL?

CarsonCityGold · November 22, 2011 5:46AM

I don't think you can submit as min grade 66FBL since it currently is not FBL.
I'd submit as cross with a minimum grade as 66. Risk is too great to crackout.

coinsarefun · November 22, 2011 7:20AM

<< <i>I don't think you can submit as min grade 66FBL since it currently is not FBL.
I'd submit as cross with a minimum grade as 66. Risk is too great to crackout. >>

Yes, you are right....I wrote was I was wishing for instead of fact

I would need to submit under crossover with minimum grade of 66 hoping they give it fbl.

That may be the best, safest way to do it.

deltadimeman · November 22, 2011 10:12AM

very nice color coin ! looks like a ms65 at pcgs, i don't think it will fbl ?

darktone · November 22, 2011 12:19PM

Great color and clean coin. I see it as a PCGS MS66. For a 58-D I don't think it will make FBL.

bestclser1 · November 22, 2011 1:43PM

Hey,i just wished for a crossover and an upgrade,got nothing,but bought another new coin.Dont know why some folks cant find fresh coins,and quality?

georgiacop50 · November 22, 2011 10:43PM

I'd give it only a 30-40% chance at FBL, although I have certainly seen plenty of 58-D in PCGS holders marked FBL that were basically just like that. PCGS is somewhat lenient with FBL's on 58-D's, for some reason.

Never crack out NGC coins unless they are a lock!

kryptonitecomics · November 23, 2011 1:33AM

I see a beautiful coin but I don't see FBL's

coinsarefun · January 31, 2012 6:45AM

New images in first post.

tightbudget · January 31, 2012 6:52AM

I think it can 66 but I don't think it will FBL. Nice coin though.

coinsarefun · January 31, 2012 9:45AM

Anyone else?

LanceNewmanOCC · January 31, 2012 9:48AM

<< <i>very nice color coin ! looks like a ms65 at pcgs, i don't think it will fbl ? >>

i would be on-board for that

100% no FBL from the images

64 if the obverse has (rub) on the high points then up to 65 for nice toning

i would like to reserve the right to recant my opinion for the difference between images/in-hand
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edited to add: a very nice frankie!
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Tonedlover · January 31, 2012 9:57AM

I love the colors! I think it might FBL, but I'm not sure it will cross at MS66. Seems safer not to crack it out, unless you're willing to cross at any grade?

coinsarefun · January 31, 2012 10:25AM

<< <i>I love the colors! I think it might FBL, but I'm not sure it will cross at MS66. Seems safer not to crack it out, unless you're willing to cross at any grade? >>

I plan on bringing it to the LongBeach show and see what they say. Submit in slab with minimum grade of MS66
That's the only safe way I can see to do it.

georgiacop50 · January 31, 2012 10:27AM

I think that will go 66FBL all day long at PCGS either raw or as a crossover. SWEET!

Ronyahski · January 31, 2012 12:25PM

That's a sweet looking Frankie. Weak strike for the date and not a FBL. Have to ask, for such a common date, why would you take the time and expense to cross?

mkman123 · January 31, 2012 1:27PM

If pcgs grades it FBL I will be disappointed. A lot of these FBL coins dont look like they have FBLs at all

gamer1958 · March 9, 2012 7:03PM

So, first off, I like the coin, it's got nice toning, however 58-Ds are known for spectacular mint-set toning. The prices for coins in 66-FBL have dropped considerably over the past few years anyway, not only for this date/mint but also the 58-P, 57-P, 57-D, so even if it did upgrade, its not like you are looking at making any money (which of course may not be your goal, just sayin').

Overall I think the strike, and the bell lines a little soft.

By cracking out and/or crossing, you are always taking a risk, in this case, either it does/does not get the FBL you seek and PCGS downgrades it to a 65; get someone knowledgeable to look at it in hand first, in my humble opinion.

georgiacop50 · March 9, 2012 11:04PM

Gamer, good to see you around!

Any result yet Stephanie? Did you end up sending thru PCGS as a raw coin?

coinsarefun · March 10, 2012 12:50AM

<< <i>Gamer, good to see you around!

Any result yet Stephanie? Did you end up sending thru PCGS as a raw coin? >>

I couldn't decide what to do so I sold it

gamer1958 · March 10, 2012 2:48AM

Got any more like this u wanna sell?

morgansforever · March 10, 2012 2:51AM

FBL or not, it's a looker, nice piece kid

gamer1958 · March 10, 2012 2:54AM

Hi there, GG50, please PM me if you can, I want to ask you something.

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