<< <i><< The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin. >>
That's because you held on to long...I sold several in the $500 - $600 range in the good ole days.
Yes too long, but at the time I was a serious collector of the series including an NGC PF 70 Registry set minus the 93 and 95 w in 69. Sold it all off last year. I am not collecting these anymore. Most of my original 30 graded sets of the 20th Anniversary ASE sets were sold in 06-07. Out of all those sets only about 4 total of PCGS 70 Silver reverse proofs and 4 NGC 70 Reverse Proofs. These 70s were not that easy for me at least. Guess its the luck of the draw. Not one PCGS MS W 70 out of that 30 set batch, though I got several in NGC 70 MS Ws. >>
<< <i>I predict the S minted in 70 will command something only if they produce 100K of these sets and don't sell individual versions. The PF 70 regular will not command much. It is the unique ones that I am looking at. The Reverse Proof was already done. The only difference will be the year. No biggie either. >>
<< <i>one burnished W MM ASE one burnished S MM ASE one proof ASE one reverse proof ASE one bullion ASE no MM >>
Nothing in the press release about the West Point and SF coins being burnished, only that they are collector coins. We all know the Unc. W collector coin, including the one individually sold this year, has historically been burnished, but are we sure the one in the set and especially the one from SF will be produced from burnished blanks?
You only save about $2 per coin if you do bulk. Really not worth it. Probably send in a few in to see what I get. Rest will remain in sealed boxes for now. Don't collect these anymore, might keep a MS S version if in MS 70. Rest I don't care about. Nothing new about this set except this S coin. If demand was there for the 06 reverse proof It would be worth more than $250 after 5 years at 250K minted. Its the 2nd lowest mintage so far of the ASE Proofs. Only chance for this set is if only 100K are minted.
I know this has been mentioned before but the 25th Anniversary label is already out there.....What will be the difference with the label on the proofs/W's/bullion from the set???
Thought this was an interesting excerpt from an article about the "Steep" premium on '07 W's:
<< <i>The US Mint has announced the release date and pricing for the 2008-W Burnished Silver Eagles. The coins will go on sale Monday, March 17, 2008 at 12:00 Noon ET offered at $25.95 each. These coins are the Mint’s “collectible version” of the popular bullion coin. The coins differ from the regular version since they are struck on specially burnished blanks. They also carry the “W” mint mark, to denote their production at the West Point Mint. Each coin comes in a protective capsule and presentation case along with a Certificate of Authenticity signed by the US Mint Director Edmund Moy.
The pricing for this release is worth examining. Last year’s coin was priced at $21.95 when it was released on June 13, 2007. On that date the price of silver was $13.05 per ounce, making the “coin premium” a steep $8.90. As of the writing of this post, the price of silver is $20.18 per ounce, making the “coin premium” for the 2008-W Silver Eagle a relatively reasonable $5.77. >>
<< <i>I know this has been mentioned before but the 25th Anniversary label is already out there.....What will be the difference with the label on the proofs/W's/bullion from the set???
<< <i>You only save about $2 per coin if you do bulk. Really not worth it. Probably send in a few in to see what I get. Rest will remain in sealed boxes for now. Don't collect these anymore, might keep a MS S version if in MS 70. Rest I don't care about. Nothing new about this set except this S coin. If demand was there for the 06 reverse proof It would be worth more than $250 after 5 years at 250K minted. Its the 2nd lowest mintage so far of the ASE Proofs. Only chance for this set is if only 100K are minted. >>
IMHO, the notorious milkspotting KILLED a lot of the collecting on SAEs which is why the RP isn't worth more. Also, they were pretty well distributed. For me, I sold our SAE PCGS set (1986-2008) back in 2008 because, though we didn't have any milk-spotted, it was a concern for folks and was affecting the market for them...and I didn't want to play the milk-spotting game (I have not had a SAE spot in my collection since buying them in 2003, but I have had a couple that came to me spotted (raw)).
Will be interesting to see how these do once all the speculators are done
<< <i>Boucharda, You've got to compare apples to apples, not pcgs 70 to ngc 69. >>
The discussion was not about grades....it was about labels. It was stated that the label said "2006 20th Anniversary SET" when PCGS did not use that term.. NGC did
After reading all post I would think that this going to be a TV sellers bonanza,for the average person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .Some will do this not knowing the three grading co's will have difference sets with 25th on them and that will make the Grading Co's part of the problem,not to mention the money that will be generated on gradeing fees. These POST on the 25th sets has helped me and others to know more of what in going to happen with this issue of 25's sets.
<<After reading all post I would think that this going to be a TV sellers bonanza,for the average person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .>>
Call me crazy...but I think simply putting as many of these sets away as possible might be the way to go.
<< <i><<After reading all post I would think that this going to be a TV sellers bonanza,for the average person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .>>
Call me crazy...but I think simply putting as many of these sets away as possible might be the way to go. >>
Kenny crazy?lol I agree all 5 will be stored unopened.
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Can 5 sets be ordered from mint (one set in each box) in 5 different box's? >>
Yes, five separate orders, you will pay shipping for each box. >>
I wonder if you can have 1 order of 5 and call the next day over the phone to break them up into five orders?
Wish the mint would have sealed boxes for sets and special items than then box the order. or maybe tamper seals on sets and eagles >>
I flip items like these but even I would have a hard time if the mint followed your request....it does nothing but cost more money. Also, the purpose of the mint isn't/shouldn't be for flippers, but rather for collectors. As collectors, most wouldn't care if the box was unopened. They want the coins themselves.
Either order in groups of 1 each, or order up to your max, but don't expect the mint to bend things to help you flip better.
The sets may be gone by the time you get back in line to order the second or third one///???? And 5 sets in separate boxes will not fit in most Safety Boxes.
<< <i>I SEE A PROBLEM WITH A 5 SEPARATE ORDER.....
The sets may be gone by the time you get back in line to order the second or third one///???? And 5 sets in separate boxes will not fit in most Safety Boxes. >>
and chances are it will take multiple flat rate boxes (and therefore submissions) to get them to the grader, instead of possibly just one.
I am thinking one order of 5. The web site will shut down within a half hour is my guess. Just like the first of the P Pucks in the beginning of the year. This one is way more popular.
"The Mint has indicated that it will only produce 100,000 of the American Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Sets. The coins would only fall behind the 1995-W Proof Silver Eagle as the least minted in the history of the twenty-five year program. Records show that 30,125 of those were sold to the public. They now can go for several thousand dollars each on the secondary market.
from coinnews.net. referring to the UNC "S" in the set, but the RP can stand by itself, too.
Yeah. Sorry. I should have just said that it's on the calendar, and there are no details beyond the date (i.e., no pricing, or specifics of what's in the set)
So, if I buy five of these sets and I get them all in one box, what's do you guys think the best flip for these?
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Yeah. Sorry. I should have just said that it's on the calendar, and there are no details beyond the date (i.e., no pricing, or specifics of what's in the set) >>
Baby steps....date of sale confirmation is a good thing....pricing probably a week from now
A sealed box of 5 could go for $5K. The 2006 unopened boxes were as high as $900 sealed with a 250K mintage. I distinctly remember madmarty selling his for $900. However, the 2006 20th Anniversary Set was a first of a kind set for the series. Nothing new about this set except the S minted coin.
<< <i>A sealed box of 5 could go for $5K. The 2006 unopened boxes were as high as $900 sealed with a 250K mintage. I distinctly remember madmarty selling his for $900. However, the 2006 20th Anniversary Set was a first of a kind set for the series. Nothing new about this set except the S minted coin. >>
Just to compare the recent history of the 5 oz pucks...should give you some idea. Don't get me wrong, I'll buy my alloted allocation, but I doubt that they will be as profitable as the 20th Anniv. sets. Also in 2006 the economy was booming with hardly any unemployment...
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<< <i>So, if I buy five of these sets and I get them all in one box, what's do you guys think the best flip for these?
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Open the box and cherry pick a submission? >>
if you open the box you won't get the 25th label for all coins except for the "S" and RP as the other three can be purchased singularly.
OPA has made a good point about the economy then and now. probably a real good flip quick. it may be hard to get singular orders (and do it multiple times). i think this will still be a crash-the-mint-website event.
<<So, if I buy five of these sets and I get them all in one box, what's do you guys think the best flip for these?
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Open the box and cherry pick a submission?>>
Like 57loaded said, 3 of them can be purchased as singles. Besides cherrypicking doesn't guarantee you'll receive 70's in return. Done that a few times only to receive 69's. Better off keeping it unopened, or send the entire unopened box to PCGS.
I am getting the feeling this will be a frothy frenzy for the first few months like the 2010 bullion but only the 70 S and 70 RP will be worth much. needless to say i will buy my limit.
Comments
<< <i>rare coins and rare labels are two different animals. >>
I should have kept that in mind prior to buying one of the stupid 2011 (S) MS70 ER ASEs in the San Francisco holder.
Such a dumb purchase but I just love the stupid holder. I am ashamed.
<< <i><< The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin. >>
That's because you held on to long...I sold several in the $500 - $600 range in the good ole days.
Yes too long, but at the time I was a serious collector of the series including an NGC PF 70 Registry set minus the 93 and 95 w in 69. Sold it all off last year. I am not collecting these anymore. Most of my original 30 graded sets of the 20th Anniversary ASE sets were sold in 06-07. Out of all those sets only about 4 total of PCGS 70 Silver reverse proofs and 4 NGC 70 Reverse Proofs. These 70s were not that easy for me at least. Guess its the luck of the draw. Not one PCGS MS W 70 out of that 30 set batch, though I got several in NGC 70 MS Ws. >>
WOW, talk about grading fees - 30 sets!
Had that one too. Self Made. Also waited too long to sell that one too. What are they going for now?
Box of 20
<< <i>I predict the S minted in 70 will command something only if they produce 100K of these sets and don't sell individual versions. The PF 70 regular will not command much. It is the unique ones that I am looking at. The Reverse Proof was already done. The only difference will be the year. No biggie either. >>
INCORRECT-A-MUNDO!!!
<< <i>one burnished W MM ASE
one burnished S MM ASE
one proof ASE
one reverse proof ASE
one bullion ASE no MM >>
Nothing in the press release about the West Point and SF coins being burnished, only that they are collector coins. We all know the Unc. W collector coin, including the one individually sold this year, has historically been burnished, but are we sure the one in the set and especially the one from SF will be produced from burnished blanks?
25th Anniv. ASE silver set Mint press release
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
has anyone seen it or could they post it ???
<< <i>my father told me there is a pic published in one of the coin mags....
has anyone seen it or could they post it ??? >>
The pic was of the box that will contain the set....the coins in it were all proofs ....
Box of 20
NGC '11
PCGS '10
2011 ANACS
Box of 20
Thought this was an interesting excerpt from an article about the "Steep" premium on '07 W's:
<< <i>The US Mint has announced the release date and pricing for the 2008-W Burnished Silver Eagles. The coins will go on sale Monday, March 17, 2008 at 12:00 Noon ET offered at $25.95 each. These coins are the Mint’s “collectible version” of the popular bullion coin. The coins differ from the regular version since they are struck on specially burnished blanks. They also carry the “W” mint mark, to denote their production at the West Point Mint. Each coin comes in a protective capsule and presentation case along with a Certificate of Authenticity signed by the US Mint Director Edmund Moy.
The pricing for this release is worth examining. Last year’s coin was priced at $21.95 when it was released on June 13, 2007. On that date the price of silver was $13.05 per ounce, making the “coin premium” a steep $8.90. As of the writing of this post, the price of silver is $20.18 per ounce, making the “coin premium” for the 2008-W Silver Eagle a relatively reasonable $5.77. >>
<< <i>I know this has been mentioned before but the 25th Anniversary label is already out there.....What will be the difference with the label on the proofs/W's/bullion from the set???
NGC '11
PCGS '10
2011 ANACS >>
Looks like someone got a nice price of $57 with free shipping on a ANACS 70 first strike.
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<<The pic was of the box that will contain the set....the coins in it were all proofs .... >>
Do you have a picture of it?
Different than 25th Anniversary.
The same labels existed side by side in 2006. 20th Anniversary, and 20th Anniversary Set. The latter being the more desirable.
Same thing this time around. Forget about 25th Anniversary label. The 25th Anniversary Set will be the label to get.
<< <i>The label will say 25th Anniversary Set.
Different than 25th Anniversary.
The same labels existed side by side in 2006. 20th Anniversary, and 20th Anniversary Set. The latter being the more desirable.
Same thing this time around. Forget about 25th Anniversary label. The 25th Anniversary Set will be the label to get. >>
Hmmmm....I seem to disagree
PCGS
NGC
<< <i>You only save about $2 per coin if you do bulk. Really not worth it. Probably send in a few in to see what I get. Rest will remain in sealed boxes for now. Don't collect these anymore, might keep a MS S version if in MS 70. Rest I don't care about. Nothing new about this set except this S coin. If demand was there for the 06 reverse proof It would be worth more than $250 after 5 years at 250K minted. Its the 2nd lowest mintage so far of the ASE Proofs. Only chance for this set is if only 100K are minted. >>
IMHO, the notorious milkspotting KILLED a lot of the collecting on SAEs which is why the RP isn't worth more. Also, they were pretty well distributed.
For me, I sold our SAE PCGS set (1986-2008) back in 2008 because, though we didn't have any milk-spotted, it was a concern for folks and was affecting the market for them...and I didn't want to play the milk-spotting game (I have not had a SAE spot in my collection since buying them in 2003, but I have had a couple that came to me spotted (raw)).
Will be interesting to see how these do once all the speculators are done
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
You've got to compare apples to apples, not pcgs 70 to ngc 69.
Better comparison to ngc 69 20th anniversary set
<< <i>Boucharda,
You've got to compare apples to apples, not pcgs 70 to ngc 69. >>
The discussion was not about grades....it was about labels. It was stated that the label said "2006 20th Anniversary SET" when PCGS did not use that term.. NGC did
PCGS
....and why would a PCGS 2005 bullion ASE be a better comparison to a NGC 2006 W that is actually from the 3 coin set......
<< <i>Yeah, not one of my 2006's spotted, but the prices crashed anyway when other people's did. >>
Crashed??
NGC
PCGS
ok. again.
20th Anniversary/American Eagle Program = worthless label.
Eagle - 20th Anniversary = more desirable label.
25th Anniversary = worthless label
25th Anniversary Set? (since they have used Eagle - 25th Anniversary already) = more desirable label.
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I don't think ther ehas been an official release from the Mint yet...however 10/27 seems to be the most likely red letter date, price unknown.
person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .Some will do
this not knowing the three grading co's will have difference sets with 25th on them and that will
make the Grading Co's part of the problem,not to mention the money that will be generated on
gradeing fees.
These POST on the 25th sets has helped me and others to know more of what in going to happen
with this issue of 25's sets.
person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .>>
Call me crazy...but I think simply putting as many of these sets away as possible might be the way to go.
<< <i><<After reading all post I would think that this going to be a TV sellers bonanza,for the average
person on the street will buy the 25th sets sales pitch and put wrong sets away .>>
Call me crazy...but I think simply putting as many of these sets away as possible might be the way to go. >>
Kenny crazy?lol I agree all 5 will be stored unopened.
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Can 5 sets be ordered from mint (one set in each box) in 5 different box's?
<< <i>5 Set limit?
Can 5 sets be ordered from mint (one set in each box) in 5 different box's? >>
Yes, five separate orders, you will pay shipping for each box.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
<< <i>
<< <i>5 Set limit?
Can 5 sets be ordered from mint (one set in each box) in 5 different box's? >>
Yes, five separate orders, you will pay shipping for each box. >>
I wonder if you can have 1 order of 5 and call the next day over the phone to break them up into five orders?
Wish the mint would have sealed boxes for sets and special items than then box the order. or maybe tamper seals on sets and eagles
<< <i>I wonder if you can have 1 order of 5 and call the next day over the phone to break them up into five orders? >>
They'll just cancel your initial order over the phone and place 5 separate new orders, if they are still in stock.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
<< <i>
<< <i>
<< <i>5 Set limit?
Can 5 sets be ordered from mint (one set in each box) in 5 different box's? >>
Yes, five separate orders, you will pay shipping for each box. >>
I wonder if you can have 1 order of 5 and call the next day over the phone to break them up into five orders?
Wish the mint would have sealed boxes for sets and special items than then box the order. or maybe tamper seals on sets and eagles >>
I flip items like these but even I would have a hard time if the mint followed your request....it does nothing but cost more money. Also, the purpose of the mint isn't/shouldn't be for flippers, but rather for collectors. As collectors, most wouldn't care if the box was unopened. They want the coins themselves.
Either order in groups of 1 each, or order up to your max, but don't expect the mint to bend things to help you flip better.
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
The sets may be gone by the time you get back in line to order the second or third one///????
And 5 sets in separate boxes will not fit in most Safety Boxes.
<< <i>I SEE A PROBLEM WITH A 5 SEPARATE ORDER.....
The sets may be gone by the time you get back in line to order the second or third one///????
And 5 sets in separate boxes will not fit in most Safety Boxes. >>
and chances are it will take multiple flat rate boxes (and therefore submissions) to get them to the grader, instead of possibly just one.
Velocity, Not Valuation Defines A Bubble.
Box of 20
<< <i>They HAVE shown up on the Mint Calendar. They go on sale on October 27 >>
Oh hell yes. Mr Bear thank you.
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<< <i>They HAVE shown up on the Mint Calendar. They go on sale on October 27 >>
Do you have a link?
Never mind...found it...not giving much, if any info.
it's on the product schedule page
"The Mint has indicated that it will only produce 100,000 of the American Silver Eagle 25th Anniversary Sets. The coins would only fall behind the 1995-W Proof Silver Eagle as the least minted in the history of the twenty-five year program. Records show that 30,125 of those were sold to the public. They now can go for several thousand dollars each on the secondary market.
from coinnews.net. referring to the UNC "S" in the set, but the RP can stand by itself, too.
<< <i>OPA,
it's on the product schedule page >>
Yeah. Sorry. I should have just said that it's on the calendar, and there are no details beyond the date (i.e., no pricing, or specifics of what's in the set)
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Open the box and cherry pick a submission?
<< <i>
<< <i>OPA,
it's on the product schedule page >>
Yeah. Sorry. I should have just said that it's on the calendar, and there are no details beyond the date (i.e., no pricing, or specifics of what's in the set) >>
Baby steps....date of sale confirmation is a good thing....pricing probably a week from now
Box of 20
<< <i>A sealed box of 5 could go for $5K. The 2006 unopened boxes were as high as $900 sealed with a 250K mintage. I distinctly remember madmarty selling his for $900. However, the 2006 20th Anniversary Set was a first of a kind set for the series. Nothing new about this set except the S minted coin. >>
Just to compare the recent history of the 5 oz pucks...should give you some idea. Don't get me wrong, I'll buy my alloted allocation, but I doubt that they will be as profitable as the 20th Anniv. sets.
Also in 2006 the economy was booming with hardly any unemployment...
<< <i>So, if I buy five of these sets and I get them all in one box, what's do you guys think the best flip for these?
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Open the box and cherry pick a submission? >>
if you open the box you won't get the 25th label for all coins except for the "S" and RP as the other three can be purchased singularly.
OPA has made a good point about the economy then and now. probably a real good flip quick. it may be hard to get singular orders (and do it multiple times). i think this will still be a crash-the-mint-website event.
Send 'em all to PCGS and get them graded, then flip?
Put the box of five sets up on the bay unopened as soon as you receive them (like the early 2010 pucks last Jan) and let someone else do the submission?
Open the box and cherry pick a submission?>>
Like 57loaded said, 3 of them can be purchased as singles. Besides cherrypicking doesn't
guarantee you'll receive 70's in return. Done that a few times only to receive 69's. Better off keeping it
unopened, or send the entire unopened box to PCGS.
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