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The Variety 2 Standing Liberty quarter is ILLEGAL. Discuss!

DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
The design of the Standing Liberty quarter was changed
slightly (but noticeably) partway through its second year
of production, 1917. The coin’s authorizing legislation
specified, “No change shall be made in the emblems
and devices used,” allowing only that “modifications shall
consist of the changing of the position of the eagle, the
rearrangement of the stars and lettering and a slight
concavity given to the surface.” The Mint’s modifications
in 1917 went above and beyond those authorized changes,
however—most obviously by covering Miss Liberty’s exposed
right breast with chainmail armor. Since this change to an
“emblem or device” was not authorized by legislation, might
one argue that the entire coinage of Variety 2 Standing
Liberty quarters (1917 to 1930) was illegal?




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    CoinRaritiesOnlineCoinRaritiesOnline Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭✭
    Oh well.

    To what government office should we mail all our Type 2 Standing Liberty Quarters to?






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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
    You may mail them to my attention, and I'll deliver them to the Atlanta Federal Reserve on my lunch break.



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    stevkcstevkc Posts: 176 ✭✭
    Sounds like the design change, technically, was illegal. However, the way they got into circulation wasn't illegal (no one stole them), so it wouldn't be illegal to own them unless the govt recalled them. But to be on the safe side, the 1917 Mint director should probably get an attorney in case Congress wants to have a hearing on the matter.
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    mingotmingot Posts: 1,807 ✭✭✭


    << <i>You may mail them to my attention, and I'll deliver them to the Atlanta Federal Reserve on my lunch break. >>



    Have you every tried to actually get into the atlanta FR? if you don't know someone and have an appointment you are getting nowhere. even if you do it's a huge chore. when you need to run documents over there it's always easier for everyone to meet outside just because of the nonsense involved. You really don't want to mess with that. now, I am going to be getting a tour within the next few months, so just give me a ring and I can come and pick them up for you and turn them in then. it's no problem, just buy me lunch the next time i see you after that.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,960 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It may have been technically illegal, but according to Roger Burdett Herman MacNeil changed the design to reflect the war footing the nation was on after the U.S. declared war on Germany during World War I. Given all the hysteria that Wilson’s attorney general went through prosecuting and jailing anyone who said anything against the war, I don’t think that the chain mail addition was much of an issue.
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    JulianJulian Posts: 3,370 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Oh well.

    To what government office should we mail all our Type 2 Standing Liberty Quarters to?






    image >>



    The correct address is:

    TYPE 2 QUARTER RECALL
    c/o Julian M. Leidman, agent
    940 Wayne Ave.
    Silver Spring, MD 20910
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    LakesammmanLakesammman Posts: 17,702 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Since the offending focal convexity was covered up, that change was authorized by the relative concavity clause. image
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    tahoe98tahoe98 Posts: 11,388 ✭✭✭

    ...hmmmmm. that would explain the black helicopters hovering over my property! image
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    DennisHDennisH Posts: 14,041 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like a fun thing to say "Yes" to. image
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    WoodenJeffersonWoodenJefferson Posts: 6,491 ✭✭✭✭
    Time to evoke the Freedom of Information Act to get to the bottom (or should I say "top") of this. Take a memo.

    Firstly, my Great Uncle (1877-1965) was not offended by the expose appendage, there were many artistic statues partially disrobed and on display in public places at that time, and this quarter design was only an extension of this type of art.
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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,570 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They should had misread the public ire and exposed the other. Oh, they don't want any boobs showing, got it! image

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    razzlerazzle Posts: 998 ✭✭✭
    It's illegal alright. But not a felony-only a misdemintor.
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    STONESTONE Posts: 15,275 ✭
    MELT'EM ALL image
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    BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Oh well.

    To what government office should we mail all our Type 2 Standing Liberty Quarters to?






    image >>



    The correct address is:

    TYPE 2 QUARTER RECALL
    c/o Julian M. Leidman, agent
    940 Wayne Ave.
    Silver Spring, MD 20910 >>




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    19Lyds19Lyds Posts: 26,524 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The design of the Standing Liberty quarter was changed
    slightly (but noticeably) partway through its second year
    of production, 1917. The coin’s authorizing legislation
    specified, “No change shall be made in the emblems
    and devices used,” allowing only that “modifications shall
    consist of the changing of the position of the eagle, the
    rearrangement of the stars and lettering and a slight
    concavity given to the surface.” The Mint’s modifications
    in 1917 went above and beyond those authorized changes,
    however—most obviously by covering Miss Liberty’s exposed
    right breast with chainmail armor. Since this change to an
    “emblem or device” was not authorized by legislation, might
    one argue that the entire coinage of Variety 2 Standing
    Liberty quarters (1917 to 1930) was illegal? >>

    "Exposed Right Breast"??? I thought she was wearing a leotard?? image
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    PonyExpress8PonyExpress8 Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭
    Maybe but chain mail?

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    jomjom Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Oh well.

    To what government office should we mail all our Type 2 Standing Liberty Quarters to?

    image >>



    The correct address is:

    TYPE 2 QUARTER RECALL
    c/o Julian M. Leidman, agent
    940 Wayne Ave.
    Silver Spring, MD 20910 >>



    image I should have thought of that one myself. Damn.

    jom
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, dammit. There goes my newp from tonight. Guess I'd better stash it before the Feds come a-knockin', huh.

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    DentuckDentuck Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭✭
    Is Lord Marcovan related to King Farouk?

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    Experts have told me that you should never say "chain mail". Mail says it all. Chain mail is redundant.
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    rec78rec78 Posts: 5,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you're right they are illegal. SO, everyone please send all your illegal standing liberty type 2 quarters to me for immediate disposal-No questions asked.image
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    Back then one exposed breast would have been correct. I doubt many of you remember but Playboy could only show one exposed breast at a time until somewhere around 1969 or 70.

    Ron
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    WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Variety 1 design was an unintentional wardrobe malfunction with the Variety 2 being on a several second (months?) delay. (Liberty had just been on Dancing With The Stars.)

    So the Type 2 is legal, but you might get fined by the FCC for showing the Type 1.

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