Quick stupid question

unbrok3n · September 14, 2011 1:47PM

I am looking at a 1853 Seated Liberty dollar in XF 45. In the grading section it has MS "4" "12" and "40" are those the same? Never heard of MS 4.
Sorry for the stupid question...just curious. Thanks!

RYK · September 14, 2011 1:51PM

In some classifications, there are MS (business strike) coins and PR (or proof) coins. MS-4 is obviously not "mint state" but refers to a business strike coin in Good-4.

unbrok3n · September 14, 2011 1:59PM

so an XF45 on the charts here would equal an MS45? Thanks!

RYK · September 14, 2011 2:02PM

<< <i>so an XF45 on the charts here would equal an MS45? Thanks! >>

That is correct.

ProofArtworkonCircs · September 14, 2011 2:18PM

I do not claim to be a graduing expert, but thought MS was mint state or unc only.
Hence XF-45 is the correct terminology although we can figure out and translate MS-45.

LanceNewmanOCC · September 14, 2011 8:16PM

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it is a good point. not to call circ business strike coins MS.

on the other end of the spectrum the PR circ coins are referred to as PR55, PR40 etc? correct?
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could it be possible to have a true MS 45? A coin so badly beaten but still an unc that it drops well below 60?

phew, what a coin that would be!
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raycyca · September 14, 2011 9:06PM

It's also possible that it's a given everyone knows the MS 4 is actually a circulated good 4. This was the books could keep the rows in the books as MS. If they changed to annotate the difference between the circulated and MS grades in the books, they would have to change EVERY single series. Trus this would make it accurate, but what's the time involved and expense factor?

Quick stupid question

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