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Curious How many on these Boards participate in....

HERITAGES POLITICAL AND AMERICANA AUCTIONS?

I have a few times in the past. We don't have an area for this on the PCGS boards but it seems if your interest in Coins is

American History related that there would be a pretty strong cross- link between the two.
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    RB1026RB1026 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭✭
    I personally do collect historical items/docs etc. and do browse the auctions you reference. For me, coin collecting too, is largely history related so the two areas coincide. My website, listed below, just launched a collecting forum (literally last week) and one area we do offer is "Antiques & American Historical Items". You and anyone else interested in the topic are most cordially invited to join and participate. We're at 50+ members so far but no one is posting yet. A bit of jitters I suppose, LOL.

    Here's a link...

    Antiques & American Historical Items Forum

    I welcome the discussion as it is an area near and dear to my heart. By the way, I love your avatar. George Washington praying in the snow is a fabulous work. To keep this coin related, post a coin with a historical context. I'll start with my 1812/1 half struck during the first year of America's second war for independence with England.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have a large collection of 19th century presidential campaign medalets, and I collect 20th century presidental campaign buttons as well. I've never bought anything from a Heritage political items auction, but I have bought some expensive stuff in their coin auctions. The one time I tried to buy in one of their political items auctions after they sent a catalog to me. The prices were very high, and I just kind of gave up on them. For example I bought a Lincoln piece which I bid $800 in the auction for $450 a few years later at a political show via private treaty.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    RB1026RB1026 Posts: 1,525 ✭✭✭✭
    Hi Bill.....what exactly is a "medalet"? Is it akin to a pin backed button of sorts?
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I have some political items- still fun to look for stuff like that- The story behind the item is usually what makes it even better

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

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    RB1026,

    Your question of Bill all was of interest to me, I googled Presidential Medalets but it was seemingly slim pickens for an
    exact explanation. He may be speaking of Medals that were awarded to or in honor of Presidents past. The Mint still sells
    Broze medals in honor of our Presidents, but I have no other idea what Bill was speaking of. Maybe he will clarify for us.

    NumbersUsa, FairUs, Alipac, CapsWeb, and TeamAmericaPac
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    AnkurJAnkurJ Posts: 11,375 ✭✭✭✭
    I collect presidential autographs and Americana in general.
    All coins kept in bank vaults.
    PCGS Registries
    Box of 20
    SeaEagleCoins: 11/14/54-4/5/12. Miss you Larry!
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    AnalystAnalyst Posts: 1,438 ✭✭✭
    As a kid, I collected political campaign buttons, particularly those that were made to influence presidential elections. I was fascinated by politics and I then perceived such button collecting as being analogous to coin collecting. Further, it was a great way to learn about the candidates of the past, especially those who were never elected president. I would recommend such an endeavor to those who are fascinated by politics, especially by partisan conflicts and political battles, which sort of sicken me now.

    Later, I tried to return. I had lost my enthusiasm for politics, though, and I find coins to be more interesting.

    The Al Boka Collection of Large Cents ‘By Date’

    The Rarities Night auction at the ANA Convention, part 4, Results
    "In order to understand the scarce coins that you own or see, you must learn about coins that you cannot afford." -Me
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    coinkatcoinkat Posts: 24,579 ✭✭✭✭✭
    All things considered, there are some great polticial buttons/pinbacks that are very cool and not too expensive-

    and of course, there are rare and iconic pins that sell for big bucks

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

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    coindeucecoindeuce Posts: 13,528 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Hi Bill.....what exactly is a "medalet"? Is it akin to a pin backed button of sorts? >>



    I believe that Bill was referring to the series of U.S. Mint produced pieces of the 19-26 mm size that were struck in the 1850's -1860's, many of which carried designs created by Anthony Paquet and later by William Barber. Many of them had dual portraits of Presidents, one per side. He may have also referred to privately made small diameter medals, such as those from George H. Lovett, John Key and other contemporary medalists.

    "Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
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    << <i>.....what exactly is a "medalet"? >>




    I have heard some use the term "medalet" to describe medals smaller than a silver dollar. Silver dollar size and up being plainly called "medals."

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A medalet is generally something bigger than a quarter up to the size of a silver dollar.

    As for what I collect, these pieces were generally used to advertise presidential candidates during their campaigns. Andrew Jackson was the first to do it in 1824. After the celluloid button was patented in 1896, the number and quality of campaign medalets went into decline. The buttons were cheaper to produce and more colorful.

    Here are some examples.

    Andrew Jackson re-election campaign, 1832. This is also listed as a Hard Times token, Low #1

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    Martin Van Buren re-election campaign, 1840. This is also listed as a Hard Times token, Low #57. This is the best example of this rare token that I have personally seen.

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    William Henry Harrison, 1840. As a group the Harrison pieces are the most common 19th century presidential campaign tokens.

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    The rare James Buchanan rebus (buck - cannon) from the 1856 campaign.

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    Benjamin Harrison (William Henry Harrison's grandson), 1888 (Yes, others have kept the U.S. presidency "in the family")

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    And the matching piece from the 1888 Grover Cleveland campaign.

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    This is just small sample. There are hundreds of varieties
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    BillJones,

    Love that Jackson 1856 with stag on the obverse.

    I have a non holed Cleveland Just like your Gold one only in Silver, I picked it up at the Heritage Fall Token and Medals auction in 2007.
    Its a great looking piece and I did't know they minted them in gold. It appears to be gold.
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I have a non holed Cleveland Just like your Gold one only in Silver, I picked it up at the Heritage Fall Token and Medals auction in 2007. >>



    It's not gold. It's only plated, but in very nice condition. There is only one listed piece in gold in the Sullivan - DeWitt reference, and it's lighter than a gold dollar.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    GritsManGritsMan Posts: 2,599 ✭✭✭
    Wow, those are cool! I, too, love the high relief of the Jackson medal. Amazing what I've learned on this forum. Thank you!
    Winner of the Coveted Devil Award June 8th, 2010
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I LOVE looking over the catalogs. I've not bought yet. I do collect some historical items. I'd LOVE to have the $$ to buy some of the nicer items in those auctions.
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
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    RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,580 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>As a kid, I collected political campaign buttons, particularly those that were made to influence presidential elections. I was fascinated by politics and I then perceived such button collecting as being analogous to coin collecting. Further, it was a great way to learn about the candidates of the past, especially those who were never elected president. I would recommend such an endeavor to those who are fascinated by politics, especially by partisan conflicts and political battles, which sort of sicken me now.

    Later, I tried to return. I had lost my enthusiasm for politics, though, and I find coins to be more interesting.

    The Al Boka Collection of Large Cents ‘By Date’

    The Rarities Night auction at the ANA Convention, part 4, Results >>



    It's interesting that sometimes one can disconnect the politics from the items.

    Ironically, I have what I and others believe is the most complete collection of Obama (56th) Presidential Inaugural Federal Law Enforcement, D.C. and Military Badge collections in existence. I say ironically because I so can't stand this president nor can the vast, vast majority of other LEOs whom I know who collect 56th Inaug. badges. I and most of them simply feel that this was a very "historic" inauguration and that these will be very nice collectables to own in the years to come. The Obama Inaugs. in general command a substantially higher price than past inaugs, are harder to find and more in demand despite that very few LEOs like him at all. A disconnect between the collectable and the politics.
    Land of the Free because of the Brave!
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sorry, I'm an avid collector of political items, but I don’t think that I will be able a stomach ONE Obama item in my collection is 2012. image
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
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    << <i>Sorry, I'm an avid collector of political items, but I don’t think that I will be able a stomach ONE Obama item in my collection is 2012. image >>



    And I'd Like to add WOODROW WILSON to the NO NO list
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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,984 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>Sorry, I'm an avid collector of political items, but I don’t think that I will be able a stomach ONE Obama item in my collection is 2012. image >>



    And I'd Like to add WOODROW WILSON to the NO NO list >>



    Yes, you and me both. The man was a facist, and the most over rated president in history.

    Edited to say, when I call someone a facist, I should support that opinion.

    Upon America’s entry into World War I, Wilson signed into law the Espionage Act of 1917 and the Sedition Act of 1918. These acts gave the government the power to imprison anyone who dissented against the war. Wilson's third attorney general, A. Mitchell Palmer, enforced this act to the hilt against a number of people including Wilson’s political enemies. The most prominent of those indicted was Eugene V. Debs who was thrown into prison. I’m no fan of Eugene Debs, but like all citizens he had a right to free speech under the First Amendment.

    The only excuse that Wilson apologists can provide for this era was, “He didn’t realize what was happening.” As president he knew darn well what would happen when he signed those two acts, and if he didn’t know what his attorney general was doing, he was not fit to be president.

    In addition to the Espionage and Sedition Acts, Wilson was also the most racist president of the 20th century. His attitudes toward African-Americans were straight out of the old South.
    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?

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