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I just got this new error, a 2000 D Sac on a 6.2 gram foreign planchet. A quick glance at the list of Foreign Coinage Production Figures from the US Mint and I can't find a match. I wonder if the list is incomplete. I did find a similar planchet / coin on the internet, the Croatia 2000 2 Kuna coin weighs at the same 6.2 grams and is the same color. I wonder (because of the serb/croatia war at the time) if we struck and or produce planchets for croatia ( maybe without publicly stating it ) ??
Any help with off metal error would be appreciated. My guess is it would grade as a struck on a 6.2 gram foreign planchet, but I sure would like to know which country the planchet was intended for.

Any help with off metal error would be appreciated. My guess is it would grade as a struck on a 6.2 gram foreign planchet, but I sure would like to know which country the planchet was intended for.

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-Paul
Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner.
Neat-o and totally genuine... I recall a couple of 2000 Philly's on a foreign Barbados, Canadian, Icelandic, and Ghana planchets but do not recall ever seeing a Denver.
<< <i>The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>
I guess it's a matter of finding out what foreign coinage Denver struck opposed to Philly in 2000
<< <i>goodmoney4badmoney, Your another member that should turn on your PM function
I would but I don't know how.
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<< <i>goodmoney4badmoney, Your another member that should turn on your PM function
I would but I don't know how.
Nevermind, I just figured it out and changed my settings.
<< <i>You bought this raw... Send it to me and I'll give you a buck for it!
Neat-o and totally genuine... I. >>
I did everything wrong on this one; raw, off of ebay, and used a credit card as I didn't have the funds
<< <i>The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>
Thank you for the information, more research to do
<< <i>It's weight and composition appear to match a 2000 Barbados dollar planchet, however, it is a 7-sided planchet but the edge may have rounded out when it was struck. I initially suspected a Barbados dollar because other examples are known but I wanted to check the weight. >>
Wow, thanks again for the additional info, I love this forum. It would be nice to nail this one down for sure.
Hoard the keys.
<< <i>The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>
The RCM did not produce Sackie planchets for the U.S. Mint, it just annealed planchets sent there by an American manufacturer, and then shipped the annealed planchets to Denver. In this process a few foreign planchets and coins got mixed in with the Sackie planchets.
TD
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<< <i>The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>
The RCM did not produce Sackie planchets for the U.S. Mint, it just annealed planchets sent there by an American manufacturer, and then shipped the annealed planchets to Denver. In this process a few foreign planchets and coins got mixed in with the Sackie planchets.
TD >>
I appreciate the clarification.
Does anyone know the weight ( or where to find) of the barbados dollar as I am having trouble locating it.
<< <i>Captain, Thanks for the additional information.
Does anyone know the weight ( or where to find) of the barbados dollar as I am having trouble locating it. >>
6.4 grams
Does anyone know where to find the weight of the 2 dollar canadian looney outer ring BEFORE Punching?
<< <i>Thank you. I am looking for 6.2 grams.
Does anyone know where to find the weight of the 2 dollar canadian looney outer ring BEFORE Punching? >>
I don't have the answer to your question but a normal $2 coin is 7.4 grams, I would suspect nickel in the center instead of brass wouldn't affect the weight that much to make it 1 gram or so less. The diameter of a $2 coin is 28mm, while a Sacagawea is 26.5mm, and a Barbados dollar is 26mm. This would imply to me a $2 coin couldn't fit into the collar for a press striking Sacagaweas.
<< <i>Have you tried seeing if it is magnetic? >>
No it is not magnetic.
The coin is about 25 mm in diameter
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<< <i>Have you tried seeing if it is magnetic? >>
No it is not magnetic.
The coin is about 25 mm in diameter >>
Well, I'm out of ideas. If it is indeed from a planchet supplier I suppose that exactly what it is may never be known. Cool coin either way though and it's been fun musing about the possibilities.
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Foreign coins struck at RCM linky
<< <i>On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>
Yes I was watching that auction as well. I already have a Sac /MD dd or I would have gone after that one. The buyer got a great price. The coin may or may not have had a line or scratch on it.
Any ideas on the foreign planchet sac that I won one, Mike?
<< <i>Slog thru here and see if you can find it:
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Foreign coins struck at RCM linky >>
Thank you for the very long list captain, now I just need to find the time to go thru it.
Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.
The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..
2 Kune
EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM???
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<< <i>On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>
Yes I was watching that auction as well. I already have a Sac /MD dd or I would have gone after that one. The buyer got a great price. The coin may or may not have had a line or scratch on it.
Any ideas on the foreign planchet sac that I won one, Mike? >>
I haven't a clue which country the planchet was intended for. Canada has contracts with so many.
<< <i>I went through the whole list and according to the link, the Barbados dollar is 6.3 grams and 25.5 mm which is the closest on the list.
Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.
The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..
2 Kune
EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM??? >>
If the Barbados dollar is struck on a round planchet in a multi-sided collar, and expands outwards into the angles during the strike, then the planchet would be noticably smaller than the finished coin.
Since Croatia is not on the list, I would go with the Barbados planchet until proven otherwise.
TD
<< <i> I haven't a clue which country the planchet was intended for. Canada has contracts with so many. >>
Thank you Mike.
Is there anyway to find out if Croatia was one one of them as the planchet seems to match exactly. They are not on the list, could the list be incomplete? Is there some other resource I could check besides the link Captain supplied?
Thanks again to all for the information.
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Since Croatia is not on the list, I would go with the Barbados planchet until proven otherwise.
TD >>
Yes I know. I just like things to match up exactly the way they are suppose to.
The Barbados Dollar makes sense, but if Canada produced planchets for Croatia in 2000 then the exact match would make more sense
<< <i>I went through the whole list and according to the link, the Barbados dollar is 6.3 grams and 25.5 mm which is the closest on the list.
Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.
The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..
2 Kune
EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM??? >>
Since the coin in question was up against the collar on one side, but broadstruck on the other side, it is hard to say what size this planchet was before it was struck.
<< <i>Since the coin in question was up against the collar on one side, but broadstruck on the other side, it is hard to say what size this planchet was before it was struck. >>
EOC just needs to flatted that side out... One really good whack with a hammer should fix it right up!
<< <i>On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>
Also on the same day I was happy to purchase a 1976 (mistakenly called a 1970 by the seller) Jefferson nickel struck on a 95% aluminum / 5% magnesium Philippines 1 Sentimo planchet that originally is square shaped with rounded corners.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
<< <i>Someone got a link to this seller's completed auctions? I don't cruise the Error coin category on eBay like I used to so I never saw them, but this may be a seller I want to add to my favorites.
Sean Reynolds >>
I guarantee you already know this seller, paperchase
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<< <i>Someone got a link to this seller's completed auctions? I don't cruise the Error coin category on eBay like I used to so I never saw them, but this may be a seller I want to add to my favorites.
Sean Reynolds >>
I guarantee you already know this seller, paperchase >>
Oh yes, I know her well, her auctions come up in my "clip" searches all the time as she is one of the very few people to have any regular supply of zinc cent clips. Unfortunately many of the lots are harshly cleaned so I'm not buying as much from her as I used to. I don't know her source but boy does she ever get some good stuff.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor