New Off Metal Sac Error

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 3:13AM

I just got this new error, a 2000 D Sac on a 6.2 gram foreign planchet. A quick glance at the list of Foreign Coinage Production Figures from the US Mint and I can't find a match. I wonder if the list is incomplete. I did find a similar planchet / coin on the internet, the Croatia 2000 2 Kuna coin weighs at the same 6.2 grams and is the same color. I wonder (because of the serb/croatia war at the time) if we struck and or produce planchets for croatia ( maybe without publicly stating it ) ??

Any help with off metal error would be appreciated. My guess is it would grade as a struck on a 6.2 gram foreign planchet, but I sure would like to know which country the planchet was intended for.

coinkid855 · September 4, 2011 3:15AM

Very cool!!

-Paul

keyman64 · September 4, 2011 3:23AM

Nice!

Broadstruck · September 4, 2011 3:25AM

You bought this raw... Send it to me and I'll give you a buck for it!

Neat-o and totally genuine... I recall a couple of 2000 Philly's on a foreign Barbados, Canadian, Icelandic, and Ghana planchets but do not recall ever seeing a Denver.

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 3:26AM

The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick.

Broadstruck · September 4, 2011 3:29AM

I wonder if this is on a Canadian Toonie planchet that wasn't punched for the central bi-metallic insert

Broadstruck · September 4, 2011 3:31AM

<< The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>

I guess it's a matter of finding out what foreign coinage Denver struck opposed to Philly in 2000

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 3:37AM

It's weight and composition appear to match a 2000 Barbados dollar planchet, however, it is a 7-sided planchet but the edge may have rounded out when it was struck. I initially suspected a Barbados dollar because other examples are known but I wanted to check the weight.

Broadstruck · September 4, 2011 3:50AM

goodmoney4badmoney, Your another member that should turn on your PM function

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 3:54AM

<< goodmoney4badmoney, Your another member that should turn on your PM function

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I would but I don't know how.

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 3:58AM

<< 

<< goodmoney4badmoney, Your another member that should turn on your PM function

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I would but I don't know how.

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Nevermind, I just figured it out and changed my settings.

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 4:05AM

<< You bought this raw... Send it to me and I'll give you a buck for it!

Neat-o and totally genuine... I. >>

I did everything wrong on this one; raw, off of ebay, and used a credit card as I didn't have the funds

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 4:06AM

<< The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>

Thank you for the information, more research to do

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 4:08AM

<< It's weight and composition appear to match a 2000 Barbados dollar planchet, however, it is a 7-sided planchet but the edge may have rounded out when it was struck. I initially suspected a Barbados dollar because other examples are known but I wanted to check the weight. >>

Wow, thanks again for the additional info, I love this forum. It would be nice to nail this one down for sure.

Type2 · September 4, 2011 6:04AM

Very cool pice for your collection you are the man...Nice

CaptHenway · September 4, 2011 6:16AM

<< The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>

The RCM did not produce Sackie planchets for the U.S. Mint, it just annealed planchets sent there by an American manufacturer, and then shipped the annealed planchets to Denver. In this process a few foreign planchets and coins got mixed in with the Sackie planchets.

TD

johnny9434 · September 4, 2011 6:22AM

nice pick up for the collection, wtg

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 6:27AM

<< 

<< The Royal Canadian Mint produced some Sacagawea planchets for the US, so it is probably a planchet intended for coinage made by Canada for another country. I may know what it's struck on and will check it out real quick. >>

The RCM did not produce Sackie planchets for the U.S. Mint, it just annealed planchets sent there by an American manufacturer, and then shipped the annealed planchets to Denver. In this process a few foreign planchets and coins got mixed in with the Sackie planchets.

TD >>

I appreciate the clarification.

CaptHenway · September 4, 2011 6:31AM

Anybody got a Canadian Mint Report for 2000? The online version is all fluff and no statistics.

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 9:26AM

Captain, Thanks for the additional information.

Does anyone know the weight ( or where to find) of the barbados dollar as I am having trouble locating it.

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 9:34AM

<< Captain, Thanks for the additional information.

Does anyone know the weight ( or where to find) of the barbados dollar as I am having trouble locating it. >>

6.4 grams

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 9:59AM

Thank you. I am looking for 6.2 grams.

Does anyone know where to find the weight of the 2 dollar canadian looney outer ring BEFORE Punching?

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 10:36AM

<< Thank you. I am looking for 6.2 grams.

Does anyone know where to find the weight of the 2 dollar canadian looney outer ring BEFORE Punching? >>

I don't have the answer to your question but a normal $2 coin is 7.4 grams, I would suspect nickel in the center instead of brass wouldn't affect the weight that much to make it 1 gram or so less. The diameter of a $2 coin is 28mm, while a Sacagawea is 26.5mm, and a Barbados dollar is 26mm. This would imply to me a $2 coin couldn't fit into the collar for a press striking Sacagaweas.

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 11:04AM

Have you tried seeing if it is magnetic?

ctf_error_coins · September 4, 2011 12:02PM

<< Have you tried seeing if it is magnetic? >>

No it is not magnetic.

The coin is about 25 mm in diameter

goodmoney4badmoney · September 4, 2011 12:07PM

<< 

<< Have you tried seeing if it is magnetic? >>

No it is not magnetic.

The coin is about 25 mm in diameter >>

Well, I'm out of ideas. If it is indeed from a planchet supplier I suppose that exactly what it is may never be known. Cool coin either way though and it's been fun musing about the possibilities.

errormaven · September 5, 2011 12:05AM

On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain.

CaptHenway · September 5, 2011 12:50AM

Slog thru here and see if you can find it:
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Foreign coins struck at RCM linky

ctf_error_coins · September 5, 2011 1:00AM

<< On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>

Yes I was watching that auction as well. I already have a Sac /MD dd or I would have gone after that one. The buyer got a great price. The coin may or may not have had a line or scratch on it.

Any ideas on the foreign planchet sac that I won one, Mike?

ctf_error_coins · September 5, 2011 1:01AM

<< Slog thru here and see if you can find it:
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Foreign coins struck at RCM linky >>

Thank you for the very long list captain, now I just need to find the time to go thru it.

ctf_error_coins · September 5, 2011 2:25AM

I went through the whole list and according to the link, the Barbados dollar is 6.3 grams and 25.5 mm which is the closest on the list.

Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.

The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..

2 Kune

EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM???

errormaven · September 5, 2011 2:42AM

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<< On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>

Yes I was watching that auction as well. I already have a Sac /MD dd or I would have gone after that one. The buyer got a great price. The coin may or may not have had a line or scratch on it.

Any ideas on the foreign planchet sac that I won one, Mike? >>

I haven't a clue which country the planchet was intended for. Canada has contracts with so many.

CaptHenway · September 5, 2011 2:54AM

<< I went through the whole list and according to the link, the Barbados dollar is 6.3 grams and 25.5 mm which is the closest on the list.

Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.

The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..

2 Kune

EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM??? >>

If the Barbados dollar is struck on a round planchet in a multi-sided collar, and expands outwards into the angles during the strike, then the planchet would be noticably smaller than the finished coin.

Since Croatia is not on the list, I would go with the Barbados planchet until proven otherwise.

TD

ctf_error_coins · September 5, 2011 2:57AM

<< I haven't a clue which country the planchet was intended for. Canada has contracts with so many. >>

Thank you Mike.

Is there anyway to find out if Croatia was one one of them as the planchet seems to match exactly. They are not on the list, could the list be incomplete? Is there some other resource I could check besides the link Captain supplied?

Thanks again to all for the information.

ctf_error_coins · September 5, 2011 3:02AM

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Since Croatia is not on the list, I would go with the Barbados planchet until proven otherwise.

TD >>

Yes I know. I just like things to match up exactly the way they are suppose to.

The Barbados Dollar makes sense, but if Canada produced planchets for Croatia in 2000 then the exact match would make more sense

errormaven · September 5, 2011 3:03AM

It's even possible the planchet will fail to match anything Canada was officially striking. After all, the U.S. Mint has generated numerous "orphan" off-metals that don't match anything it was officially producing at the time. In the most recently concluded Heritage auction there was a 1994-P nickel struck on a 4 gram copper planchet that's clearly an orphan since the Mint wasn't striking coins for other countries during this time period.

CaptHenway · September 5, 2011 6:02AM

<< I went through the whole list and according to the link, the Barbados dollar is 6.3 grams and 25.5 mm which is the closest on the list.

Here is a link to the Croatia 2 Kune which is NOT on the list. I can't find where the 2 Kune planchets were produced.

The weight of 6.2 grams and appearance are the same as mine tho..

2 Kune

EDIT: WOW , I just measure mine and it seems to be 24.5 mm, the same as the 2 Kune, HMMMMMM??? >>

Since the coin in question was up against the collar on one side, but broadstruck on the other side, it is hard to say what size this planchet was before it was struck.

Broadstruck · September 5, 2011 6:09AM

<< Since the coin in question was up against the collar on one side, but broadstruck on the other side, it is hard to say what size this planchet was before it was struck. >>

EOC just needs to flatted that side out... One really good whack with a hammer should fix it right up!

goodmoney4badmoney · September 5, 2011 6:22AM

<< On the same day, the same seller sold on eBay a 2000-P Sac dollar struck on a Maryland quarter for less than $2000. I figure that was a bargain. >>

Also on the same day I was happy to purchase a 1976 (mistakenly called a 1970 by the seller) Jefferson nickel struck on a 95% aluminum / 5% magnesium Philippines 1 Sentimo planchet that originally is square shaped with rounded corners.

seanq · September 5, 2011 10:16AM

Someone got a link to this seller's completed auctions? I don't cruise the Error coin category on eBay like I used to so I never saw them, but this may be a seller I want to add to my favorites.

Sean Reynolds

goodmoney4badmoney · September 5, 2011 10:30AM

<< Someone got a link to this seller's completed auctions? I don't cruise the Error coin category on eBay like I used to so I never saw them, but this may be a seller I want to add to my favorites.

Sean Reynolds >>

I guarantee you already know this seller, paperchase

seanq · September 5, 2011 11:41AM

<< 

<< Someone got a link to this seller's completed auctions? I don't cruise the Error coin category on eBay like I used to so I never saw them, but this may be a seller I want to add to my favorites.

Sean Reynolds >>

I guarantee you already know this seller, paperchase >>

Oh yes, I know her well, her auctions come up in my "clip" searches all the time as she is one of the very few people to have any regular supply of zinc cent clips. Unfortunately many of the lots are harshly cleaned so I'm not buying as much from her as I used to. I don't know her source but boy does she ever get some good stuff.

Sean Reynolds

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