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2011 ASE 25th Anniversary

PCGS labels some of these as "25th Anniversary". I recently bought one, mostly out of curiosity. There is no mintmark. Other than the passage of 25 years, is there anything else that distinguishes them from a regular bullion ASE?
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  • MFHMFH Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭

    Between the Bullion ASE "S" and the "W"
    there is no difference at all with the "P".

    The Mint sent me an "early subscription"
    for the ASE with the W mint mark. I opted
    for a couple. No pricing listed however.

    Knowing that in approximately six weeks
    they will announce a set of 25th Anniversary
    ASE's [ Reverse Proof / Cameo Proof / Matte Proof ]
    as they did for the 20th Anniversary - I'm going to
    opt for a couple of those sets as well.
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  • ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
    I'm in for a couple, too...
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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭
    What a lame 2011 issue compared to the 20th Anniv set in 2006
  • jessewvujessewvu Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What a lame 2011 issue compared to the 20th Anniv set in 2006 >>



    Except the 25th anniversary is the silver anniversary. Maybe you live in opposite world.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,176 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>PCGS labels some of these as "25th Anniversary". I recently bought one, mostly out of curiosity. There is no mintmark. Other than the passage of 25 years, is there anything else that distinguishes them from a regular bullion ASE? >>




    If you recently bought one, then you recently bought the 20th anniversary.

    The 25th anniversary edition will come out in October.


    In the 20th anniversary set, there was an "uncirculated ASE" with a W mint mark. The mint mark distinguishes it from the plain bullion which has no mint mark.




    in the up coming 25th anniversary set, there will be 5 ASE coins. One of the 5 will be a plain bullion coin with no mint mark. It will not be distinguishable from the bullion sold on the market today.



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  • << <i>

    << <i>PCGS labels some of these as "25th Anniversary". I recently bought one, mostly out of curiosity. There is no mintmark. Other than the passage of 25 years, is there anything else that distinguishes them from a regular bullion ASE? >>


    If you recently bought one, then you recently bought the 20th anniversary.
    The 25th anniversary edition will come out in October.


    In the 20th anniversary set, there was an "uncirculated ASE" with a W mint mark. The mint mark distinguishes it from the plain bullion which has no mint mark.
    in the up coming 25th anniversary set, there will be 5 ASE coins. One of the 5 will be a plain bullion coin with no mint mark. It will not be distinguishable from the bullion sold on the market today. >>



    Remember these:

    25th year of Issue

    and this could be an issue....what would be the difference with the new set????

    2011 25th anniversary
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that's true.

    the 25th year of issue was bullion.

    just like all other bullion.



    the ones on shop NBC are also just bullion coins.


    both of those two are only different labels and not different coins.
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭
    the game here will be graded sets.

    does everyone remember the most expensive gold $50 in the 20th anniv set?

    yep - the REGULAR proof 70 dcam $50 with 20th Anniv Label.

    you just never know. just think of what the 70-70-70-70-70 set will bring with anniversary set labels?


  • << <i>that's true.

    the 25th year of issue was bullion.

    just like all other bullion.



    the ones on shop NBC are also just bullion coins.


    both of those two are only different labels and not different coins. >>



    Well one is a 2010 and the other a 2011 both labeled 25th year

    ...and doesn't the upcoming 25th Anniversary set include this same 2011 bullion coin already labeled as such

  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>the game here will be graded sets.

    does everyone remember the most expensive gold $50 in the 20th anniv set?

    yep - the REGULAR proof 70 dcam $50 with 20th Anniv Label.

    you just never know. just think of what the 70-70-70-70-70 set will bring with anniversary set labels? >>



    Quite true. Of couse, to get one, I'm thinking of how many submissions will be involved and the grading fees. That said, as FS 5x70 set will be just amazing.
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  • When are they supposed to go on sale?
    in the up coming 25th anniversary set, there will be 5 ASE coins


  • << <i>When are they supposed to go on sale?
    in the up coming 25th anniversary set, there will be 5 ASE coins >>



    Only date so far is October ....

    ...and the 5 will include the (W) already labeled as 25th Year of Issue in 2010 (PCGS) or 25th Anniversary (W) from 2011 (NGC) already labeled and for sale

    Both companies kinda jumped the gun with those

    So PCGS will have the 25th "Year of Issue" being 2010 and the 25" Anniversary" being 2011

    NGC will have the 2011 25th Anniversary (W) both from the new set and not from the set.... so nothing special with that coin I guess

    A tad confusing...
  • razzlerazzle Posts: 998 ✭✭✭


    << <i>So PCGS will have the 25th "Year of Issue" being 2010 and the 25" Anniversary" being 2011 NGC will have the 2011 25th Anniversary (W) both from the new set and not from the set.... so nothing special with that coin I guess A tad confusing... Text >>



    I'm giving it a "tad +"
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  • Is there suposed to be one with a S mint M?
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Is there suposed to be one with a S mint M? >>



    The United States Mint American Eagle 25th Anniversary Silver Coin Set will include five one-ounce American Eagle Silver Coins:

    * one proof coin from the United States Mint at West Point
    * one uncirculated coin from the United States Mint at West Point
    * one uncirculated coin from the United States Mint at San Francisco
    * one reverse proof coin (frosted background with polished, mirror-like design elements/foreground) from the United States Mint at Philadelphia
    * one bullion coin



    It doesn't say directly but I am thinking yes because, otherwise, how would you tell the difference between the West Point, San Francisco, and "bullion" coins?
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  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I guess I'm kinda old school here...I just buy multiples of these types of offerings (perhaps 10-15 sets in this case), look at them to make sure everything's in order when they arrive....and then put the boxes away for future generations (and hopefully enjoy a moderate price appreciation over issue). No grading involved at all.

    I just can't be bothered with all the hassle (and expense). I'll let my kids try to assemble their own rare 70-70-70-70-70 sets if they so desire.


  • << <i>look at them to make sure everything's in order when they arrive >>



    That would eliminate any chance of getting 70's with the 25th "whatever" label
  • RichRRichR Posts: 3,978 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<That would eliminate any chance of getting 70's with the 25th "whatever" label >>

    Like I said, "old school"...since I generally don't sell anything, I'll let my kids worry about it after I'm pushing up daisies!
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    I predict the S minted in 70 will command something only if they produce 100K of these sets and don't sell individual versions. The PF 70 regular will not command much. It is the unique ones that I am looking at. The Reverse Proof was already done. The only difference will be the year. No biggie either.
  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>the game here will be graded sets.

    does everyone remember the most expensive gold $50 in the 20th anniv set?

    yep - the REGULAR proof 70 dcam $50 with 20th Anniv Label.

    you just never know. just think of what the 70-70-70-70-70 set will bring with anniversary set labels? >>



    Quite true. Of couse, to get one, I'm thinking of how many submissions will be involved and the grading fees. That said, as FS 5x70 set will be just amazing. >>



    Noob here that needs pre sale help. I will buy 5 sets when released. Someone mentioned that I would get 5 little boxes inside the big box. I had planned on sending in 3 sets to be graded and keeping the other 2 sealed in the mint boxes. Can someone please explain what their plan is?

    Thanks,

    BC
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  • That won't work...once you open the main box they are toast for the 25th whatever label....placing separate orders for 2/3 would work though
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I predict the S minted in 70 will command something only if they produce 100K of these sets and don't sell individual versions. The PF 70 regular will not command much. It is the unique ones that I am looking at. The Reverse Proof was already done. The only difference will be the year. No biggie either. >>




    Yeah, the whole set is probably going to be a yawner.image
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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,176 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>

    << <i>the game here will be graded sets.

    does everyone remember the most expensive gold $50 in the 20th anniv set?

    yep - the REGULAR proof 70 dcam $50 with 20th Anniv Label.

    you just never know. just think of what the 70-70-70-70-70 set will bring with anniversary set labels? >>



    Quite true. Of couse, to get one, I'm thinking of how many submissions will be involved and the grading fees. That said, as FS 5x70 set will be just amazing. >>



    Noob here that needs pre sale help. I will buy 5 sets when released. Someone mentioned that I would get 5 little boxes inside the big box. I had planned on sending in 3 sets to be graded and keeping the other 2 sealed in the mint boxes. Can someone please explain what their plan is?

    Thanks,

    BC >>




    Must place 5 orders for 1 each.



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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    My strategy is to place 25 separate orders but I am afraid of time constraints if they only make 100K. So maybe 2 orders of 5 and than 15 orders of singles.


  • << <i>15 orders of singles >>

    image

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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,548 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Noob here that needs pre sale help. I will buy 5 sets when released. Someone mentioned that I would get 5 little boxes inside the big box. I had planned on sending in 3 sets to be graded and keeping the other 2 sealed in the mint boxes. Can someone please explain what their plan is? >>


    Little boxes are not sealed; they are for not eligible for 25th Anniv. label (TPG has no proof the coins that are available elsewhere are really part of the original set). Coins that are available only in the set will always be eligible for 25th anniversay label whether submitted in a sealed mint box or not (there is no other source for them).
    Submission to TPG has to be in original sealed shipping carton from the mint with original mint shipping label on it. Order 3 at once and then 2 at once or place five separate mint orders and submit three of them individually packaged.

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  • CakesCakes Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>My strategy is to place 25 separate orders but I am afraid of time constraints if they only make 100K. So maybe 2 orders of 5 and than 15 orders of singles. >>



    I thought the limit was 5.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,548 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>My strategy is to place 25 separate orders but I am afraid of time constraints if they only make 100K. So maybe 2 orders of 5 and than 15 orders of singles. >>



    I thought the limit was 5. >>


    US Mint limits are per household, credit card and US Mint account.
    A person with 3 identities, credit cards with different mailing addresses and US Mint accounts can get 3 times the limit as long as they don't get caught by Homeland Security. image
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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    with current pricing of the ASEs 3 @ $60 and 2 proofs @ 68, the set may sell for $349.00
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    with the 20th sets, if i remember, they laggered, or there was shipping delays or both.

    as i have said a few times b4 the Rproof is a beauty.

    anyone have a guess at mintage for the set?

    how will they tell the two bullion ASE's apart?

    my guess is price will be ~ $400, wouldn't suprise me if it were north of $400
  • CoinspongeCoinsponge Posts: 3,927 ✭✭✭
    how will they tell the two bullion ASE's apart?



    There is only one "bullion" coin according to them.
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  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,548 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>how will they tell the two bullion ASE's apart?
    There is only one "bullion" coin according to them. >>


    S mintmark on one, no mintmark on the other. One bullion coin, two bullion coin mint locations for 2011. S mintmark is being added only to those struck in SF for inclusion in the set. All other ASEs struck in SF bear no mintmark. The Rev. Proof and S bullion coin are the only two unique to the five coin set. Other three coins in the set are available via other purchases. Thus the requirement for sealed mint package to get the 25th label on the other three coins.

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  • ObiwancanoliObiwancanoli Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭
    Is it possible one of the two bullion coins will be minted in PA, thus include the "P" mintmark?
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  • bestdaybestday Posts: 4,271 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>What a lame 2011 issue compared to the 20th Anniv set in 2006 >>



    Except the 25th anniversary is the silver anniversary. Maybe you live in opposite world. >>



    you gonna be around for the gold anniv ?
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,200 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The grading fees for five sets will be killer. Of course, one 70FS set of five should more than pay for the fees and the all of the sets - if a set of five 70s is to be had from five sets.
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  • Just my luck that I'd get 25 69s.....
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  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭


    << <i> The PF 70 regular will not command much. It is the unique ones that I am looking at. >>



    Sometimes the obvious isn't the correct answer.

    In 2006, the $50 Gold REGULAR PROOF commanded the most $$$$ with a "20th Anniversary Set" label in PR70DCAM.

    So, keep an eye on the pops, you just never know what will be the "rarest" coin with a "25th Anniversary Set" label.


  • << <i>Is it possible one of the two bullion coins will be minted in PA, thus include the "P" mintmark? >>



    As was stated in a post above....only ONE bullion coin, two burnished, one proof, one RP....only coin from Phily is the proof



    << <i>The US Mint’s press release indicates that each set will contain:
    one Proof Silver Eagle from the West Point Mint
    one Uncirculated Silver Eagle from the West Point Mint
    one Uncirculated Silver Eagle from the San Francisco Mint
    one reverse proof Silver Eagle from the Philadelphia Mint
    one bullion Silver Eagle >>



    Mintage was announced to be 100k
  • derrybderryb Posts: 38,548 ✭✭✭✭✭
    rare coins and rare labels are two different animals.

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  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin.
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even though I am a sucker for Mint products and will get one of these sets, I expect they will have a short run up and then level out - likely to do the the same IMO as per the previous post....

    Flipper's fun for a bit, complete with all the First Strike Madness (FSM?)...
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  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    one burnished ASE
    one proof ASE
    one reverse proof ASE
    one bullion ASE no MM
    one bullion ASE S MM

    that's right?

    mintage 100k
  • RaufusRaufus Posts: 7,200 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just my luck that I'd get 25 69s..... >>



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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 39,176 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>one burnished ASE
    one proof ASE
    one reverse proof ASE
    one bullion ASE no MM
    one bullion ASE S MM

    that's right?

    mintage 100k >>



    one burnished W MM ASE
    one burnished S MM ASE
    one proof ASE
    one reverse proof ASE
    one bullion ASE no MM


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  • OPAOPA Posts: 17,160 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin. >>



    That's because you held on to long...I sold several in the $500 - $600 range in the good ole days.image

    btw...Silvertowne has them for sale for under $100 shipped & no cc fee. 2011 PCGS FS PR70DCAM's
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  • << <i>one burnished ASE
    one proof ASE
    one reverse proof ASE
    one bullion ASE no MM
    one bullion ASE S MM

    that's right?

    >>



    no, read about 4 posts above yours
  • pf70collectorpf70collector Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭
    << The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin. >>



    That's because you held on to long...I sold several in the $500 - $600 range in the good ole days.


    Yes too long, but at the time I was a serious collector of the series including an NGC PF 70 Registry set minus the 93 and 95 w in 69. Sold it all off last year. I am not collecting these anymore. Most of my original 30 graded sets of the 20th Anniversary ASE sets were sold in 06-07. Out of all those sets only about 4 total of PCGS 70 Silver reverse proofs and 4 NGC 70 Reverse Proofs. These 70s were not that easy for me at least. Guess its the luck of the draw. Not one PCGS MS W 70 out of that 30 set batch, though I got several in NGC 70 MS Ws.
  • 57loaded57loaded Posts: 4,967 ✭✭✭
    thanks boucharda and MsMorrisine image

    i was confuzzled


  • << <i>thanks boucharda and MsMorrisine image

    i was confuzzled >>



    With all the (W)'s (S)'s, W's, S's, and P's, 25th "Year of Issue" (2010), 25th Anniversary (2011) (already for sale but not really) in existence (or soon to be) how the heck can you get "confuzzled"???? image
  • 7over87over8 Posts: 4,733 ✭✭✭


    << <i>The 2006 PCGS DCAM 70 First Strike 20th Century Anniversary Label commands very little today. I have one. Only around $200-$240. My guess is it will be the same for the 25th Anniversary Set. The only thing that will help it is if the set is limited to a 100K mintage. I think the S minted is the potential coin >>



    It is the GOLD GOLD GOLD REGULAR $50 PR70 DCAM in 20th Anniversary Set labeled holder I am referring to!!!!!!

    It serves as an EXAMPLE of how LABELS sometimes matter. (Even though I wouldnt buy it)

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