What will PCGS say about this toned ASE?

coinsarefun · August 29, 2011 4:17PM

AT or NT

Had some good luck and bad luck getting them slabbed. I think it shouldn't be a problem for this what do you say?

Or let it stay in there and keep toning?

19Lyds · August 29, 2011 4:34PM

They'll say MS66.

Chump4Change · August 29, 2011 4:37PM

The toning looks natural to me too. Nice coin!

Elcontador · August 29, 2011 4:55PM

I do not collect moderns. I do not understand how such a new coin could tone like that. Do they keep them in some kind of tissue in the mint before packaging them? Do you know how it was stored once it left the mint until I got into its current holder?

melvin289 · August 29, 2011 5:33PM

I asked Paul at Rare Coins of New Hampshire to pick up a couple of ASEs once upon a time to keep my set up to date. Paul being the nice person he is did this for me. They arrived with another purchase I had made in the flips the mint had put them in, or maybe RCNH had put them into flips that resembled PCGS flips. They had a rubber band around them when they arrived. I thought no more about them for a year or so and when I dug them out to place them with the rest of my ASEs the coins had toned where the rubber band was around the flips. ASEs must tone really easy to have toned that quickly in the flips and the box which RCNH sent the coins.

Ron

PerryHall · August 29, 2011 10:05PM

<< I asked Paul at Rare Coins of New Hampshire to pick up a couple of ASEs once upon a time to keep my set up to date. Paul being the nice person he is did this for me. They arrived with another purchase I had made in the flips the mint had put them in, or maybe RCNH had put them into flips that resembled PCGS flips. They had a rubber band around them when they arrived. I thought no more about them for a year or so and when I dug them out to place them with the rest of my ASEs the coins had toned where the rubber band was around the flips. ASEs must tone really easy to have toned that quickly in the flips and the box which RCNH sent the coins.

Ron >>

Rubber bands are definitely bad for coins since they have sulfur. Stretch one a few times and then smell it. Back in the 1960's, someone brought a proof trade dollar to the coin club meeting. It had been stored in a small cardboard box with the coin wrapped in tissue paper and with a rubber band wrapped around the box to hold the lid in place. There was a black tarnish line bisecting the face of the coin from the rubber band that looked like someone had taken a Sharpie marker and had drawn a heavy black line across the face of the coin. Also, 999 fine silver is more reactive than 900 coin silver which is why they tone so easily.

amiller · August 29, 2011 10:28PM

In my experience, common date ASE's with that look will holder a grade lower than expected.

astrorat · August 29, 2011 10:46PM

<< Back in the 1960's, someone brought a proof trade dollar to the coin club meeting. It had been stored in a small cardboard box with the coin wrapped in tissue paper and with a rubber band wrapped around the box to hold the lid in place. There was a black tarnish line bisecting the face of the coin from the rubber band that looked like someone had taken a Sharpie marker and had drawn a heavy black line across the face of the coin. >>

That's one powerful rubber band! That's really interesting. I would not have thought the coin INSIDE the box would have been affected. But that does explain some oddly toned "old time" coins I have seen.

Shamika · August 29, 2011 10:53PM

For once, an ASE that appears to be NT.

PerryHall · August 29, 2011 11:08PM

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<< Back in the 1960's, someone brought a proof trade dollar to the coin club meeting. It had been stored in a small cardboard box with the coin wrapped in tissue paper and with a rubber band wrapped around the box to hold the lid in place. There was a black tarnish line bisecting the face of the coin from the rubber band that looked like someone had taken a Sharpie marker and had drawn a heavy black line across the face of the coin. >>

That's one powerful rubber band! That's really interesting. I would not have thought the coin INSIDE the box would have been affected. But that does explain some oddly toned "old time" coins I have seen. >>

I know it's hard to believe but I saw it with my own eyes. The straight line that bisected the coin was jet black and about an eigth of an inch wide. The cardboard box was only slightly bigger than the coin and it looked like it may have stored a medal or similar before being used to store the proof trade dollar. It happened over a period of time while in a safe depost box. The sulfur fumes must have penetrated the cardboard and the inside of SDB's are not known for being well ventilated. That's why I keep rubber bands away from my coins.

PerryHall · August 29, 2011 11:11PM

<< The toning looks natural to me too. Nice coin! >>

Agree. Looks good to me but who knows what kind of mood the graders will be in that day.

fivecents · August 29, 2011 11:23PM

NT and market acceptable.

Swampboy · August 29, 2011 11:33PM

<< Or let it stay in there and keep toning? >>

kryptonitecomics · August 29, 2011 11:36PM

Shouldn't be a problem getting that graded at PCGS/NGC

steveben · August 29, 2011 11:44PM

that looks NT to me. i have a few that i got new a long time ago that look similar now.

p8nt · August 30, 2011 12:06AM

Perhaps I'm making this up, but I thought I heard somewhere that PCGS is no longer slabbing toned ASEs...?

lkeigwin · August 30, 2011 12:08AM

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<< Back in the 1960's, someone brought a proof trade dollar to the coin club meeting. It had been stored in a small cardboard box with the coin wrapped in tissue paper and with a rubber band wrapped around the box to hold the lid in place. There was a black tarnish line bisecting the face of the coin from the rubber band that looked like someone had taken a Sharpie marker and had drawn a heavy black line across the face of the coin. >>

That's one powerful rubber band! That's really interesting. I would not have thought the coin INSIDE the box would have been affected. But that does explain some oddly toned "old time" coins I have seen. >>

I know it's hard to believe but I saw it with my own eyes. The straight line that bisected the coin was jet black and about an eigth of an inch wide. The cardboard box was only slightly bigger than the coin and it looked like it may have stored a medal or similar before being used to store the proof trade dollar. It happened over a period of time while in a safe depost box. The sulfur fumes must have penetrated the cardboard and the inside of SDB's are not known for being well ventilated. That's why I keep rubber bands away from my coins. >>

If you submit raw coins to PCGS at a show they will use rubber bands around the plastic flips and paperwork to keep it all together. I am sure they stay that way for a few days or longer, so I suppose there is no short term harm.

Otherwise, rubber bands are never near my coins. A friend ATS sent me this Columbian. A rubber band sat on it for a year or two. Nothing could save it.
Lance.

PipestonePete · August 30, 2011 12:29AM

Here is one of the ASEs that was part of a toning experiment I performed several years ago. I wrapped a number of ASEs in various types of paper to see what type of toning would be achieved. Each coin was secured by a rubber band. This particular con was wrapped in tissue paper. The lines clearly show where the rubber band was wrapped around the paper surrounding the coin.

PerryHall · August 30, 2011 12:58AM

<< A friend ATS sent me this Columbian. A rubber band sat on it for a year or two. Nothing could save it. >>

That Columbian half looks heavily dipped so you can imagine what it must have looked like before it was dipped.

Tiny · August 30, 2011 1:05AM

Ship It ! And be sure to let us know how it goes. I think you'll be surprised.

19Lyds · August 30, 2011 1:39AM

<< I do not collect moderns. I do not understand how such a new coin could tone like that. Do they keep them in some kind of tissue in the mint before packaging them? Do you know how it was stored once it left the mint until I got into its current holder? >>

To answer your question, the Silver Eagles are .999 fine silver which tones much more quickly than the 90% Silver/20% Copper alloy coins do. I imagine that the OP's coin has simply been in that after market Silver Eagle container for a year or so sitting in a warm environment.

Bochiman gets similar effects in his Closet.

PerryHall · August 30, 2011 1:44AM

<< Perhaps I'm making this up, but I thought I heard somewhere that PCGS is no longer slabbing toned ASEs...? >>

You're thinking of AT toned ASE's that PCGS no longer slabs.

PerryHall · August 30, 2011 1:48AM

<< Or let it stay in there and keep toning? >>

Not a good idea. I think it looks great now and I would suggest that you should quit while you're ahead. Too much toning and it may look ugly or ATed.

JustaRookie · August 30, 2011 1:54AM

I know those holders all to well as I have several ASEs in them. They are notorious for providing that AT look, which in reality it really is NT. It will holder IMO, most likely at MS 67 and maybe a shot at 68. I like it!

lkeigwin · August 30, 2011 1:54AM

<< 

<< A friend ATS sent me this Columbian. A rubber band sat on it for a year or two. Nothing could save it. >>

That Columbian half looks heavily dipped so you can imagine what it must have looked like before it was dipped. >>

The dipping came after the staining and just before the melting.
Lance.

drwstr123 · August 30, 2011 2:35AM

PCGS MS68:

What will PCGS say about this toned ASE?

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