Guess the grades, win some cash. ---- Grades IN! Winner in the last post! ----

TwoKopeiki · August 8, 2011 1:08AM

Two of my recent Soler & Llach wins are going through the final stages of grading ATS with results available in the next few days. With snail mail from Canada taking up to 3 weeks and cost of shipping being ridiculous, I decided to repeat the previous giveaway format (the one that MacCrimmon nailed!) and as a reward for being the closest to the sum of actual grades I will send a PayPal gift for 30 bucks to the winner.

Here's the previous contest to get a feel for the format.

A tiny caveat: if the coin bodybags (and if you remember my original post when I received the coins, you might remember my suspicions about the Zacatecas piece) it's worth 0 points, so keep that in mind when putting-in your opinions.

Good luck!

001 1810MO HJ MEXICO 8R NGC AU-58

002 1821Z RG MEXICO ZACATECAS KM-111.6 8R NGC AU-55

Pokermandude · August 8, 2011 1:18AM

Thanks for the contest

I'll guess
MS61
AU55

Zohar · August 8, 2011 7:31AM

thanks - 62, 55

Bailathacl · August 8, 2011 7:49AM

Hmm. 63 and 55...?

coinkat · August 8, 2011 8:46AM

62
53

reasoning will be provided later if interested

1960NYGiants · August 8, 2011 8:50AM

55 + 45

worldcoinguy · August 8, 2011 11:42AM

Nice pieces. I'll throw in a guess of 61 and 53.

Good luck with the results.

ormandh · August 8, 2011 12:05PM

64 and 61.

Really nice pieces! Good luck!

killer26 · August 8, 2011 12:18PM

58 + 0

HoledandCreative · August 8, 2011 12:20PM

63, 0. Thanks.

Walter · August 8, 2011 12:43PM

MS63
Altered surfaces

TwoKopeiki · August 8, 2011 12:45PM

<< <i>63, 0. Thanks. >>

Want to wager a guess as to why it would bodybag? Just asking in case of a tie.

TwoKopeiki · August 9, 2011 11:59AM

Easy cash, let's go folks!

Hayden · August 10, 2011 7:11AM

62 and 0

AUandAG · August 10, 2011 12:07PM

50 and zero

HoledandCreative · August 10, 2011 2:43PM

63, 0 - Repaired in field. Thanks, again. Although, I hope your suspicions are wrong and it gets anice number.

TwoKopeiki · August 11, 2011 5:23AM

1810 is already graded and encapsulated (they wouldn't tell me the grade until both coins go through quality control, though) and the 1821 is "Pending", which means they need to research it either by themselves, or by sending it to an independent 3rd party specialist, which might take another week.

Coinerww2 · August 11, 2011 10:39PM

62 61 thanks!

bretts911 · August 12, 2011 6:27AM

63 and 58 Thanks for the chance

TwoKopeiki · August 15, 2011 6:21AM

Zacatecas is still being researched. I should just send the graders an e-mail with the calbeto number and catalog image to help them along. If they determined authenticity, attribution should be easy.

ajaan · August 15, 2011 6:48AM

63 + 0 .98 Damage

TwoKopeiki · August 17, 2011 1:49AM

So much for the expedited service for $50 / coin.

They're still researching...

lordmarcovan · August 17, 2011 12:16PM

I'll take a stab in the dark and say AU58 on both of 'em.

That's a totally wild guess, you understand.

BXBOY143 · August 18, 2011 1:44PM

AU58
XF45

thanks for the chance

-Paul

coinandcurrency242 · August 19, 2011 4:42AM

MS 62
XF 45

Thanks for the chance

theboz11 · August 19, 2011 5:27AM

53 and 0 altered surfaces

thanks

TwoKopeiki · August 19, 2011 5:34AM

Found out the reason it's still pending is that the world grader is off until Monday...

Good guesses so far. I agree with a few.

coinkat · August 19, 2011 9:10AM

Which ones?

OldEastside · August 19, 2011 11:40AM

AU58 & AU55

Steve

TwoKopeiki · August 19, 2011 5:58PM

<< <i>Which ones? >>

If I had to guess, I'd go 62/3 and 45 if both grade and the 1810 gets into a well-deserved (in my opinion) MS slab.

Worst case scenario would probably be 58 - BB.

coinkat · August 19, 2011 7:37PM

I agree that the 1810 should grade MS

The 1821 zs remains a very difficult coin to grade based on striking issues and the wear patterns and imho tend to be undergraded

RobP · August 19, 2011 7:54PM

58 + 45 details due to scratches what ever that equates to in numbers

robkool · August 20, 2011 11:59AM

AU58...
AU50...

TwoKopeiki · August 24, 2011 1:54AM

Kent should be back in the office tomorrow, so hopefully I'll know something by the end of the day on Friday. Get your 2 cents in before the grades are posted!

oakcoin · August 24, 2011 6:43AM

58
53

weresteve · August 25, 2011 8:32AM

#1 - 60/61

#2 - 53

That's my guess for now ...

gummibear · August 26, 2011 2:50AM

I go with 64 & 62.
Thanks for the chance. Nice coins,
Richard

TwoKopeiki · August 26, 2011 4:29AM

Ok, so we're locking down all the responses because there's a grade update.

The 1810 graded AU58

I just don't get it. There is no break in the luster and the coin is dripping with it with a thin, translucent layer of pale yellow toning. Surfaces are clean with barely any hairlines. Weak strike - sure. But NGC doesn't normally downgrade for strike anomalies. This coin looks 100% better than a lot of MS61-62 blast white and often hairlined pieces I see surface on eBay, NEN, Heritage, and other venues (like this 1784, for example currently on eBay). Bah. I'm doing vodka shots tonight.

Research on the Zacatecas piece is going to be at least another couple of weeks. They need to get the experts involved.

ajaan · August 26, 2011 7:34AM

Crap!

coinkat · August 26, 2011 7:52AM

double crap

coinkat · August 26, 2011 7:53AM

Unfortunately , I have no V in the house to do shots...

In all seriousness, the 1810 looks MS

lordmarcovan · August 26, 2011 8:18AM

<< <i>first grade posted on page 2 >>

"Page 2" is a rather meaningless concept, since with customization, we could all conceivably have different posts-per-page settings. (I usually put updates on things like this in the first post, for that reason.)

AU58 on the first, huh?

Woohoo! I'm 50% right so far!

Let's see another AU58, and I'll win... I'll win... umm... gee, what will I win, again?

Oh yeah- thirty bux. Wow. You sir, are a generous soul. Thanks for the chance.

Oh, and hey- nice coins, there, regardless of the technical/numerical grade.

Walter · August 26, 2011 1:43PM

There is some friction on the obverse but I've seen more on other MS graded examples, I still think it deserves an MS grading.

Syracusian · August 26, 2011 7:49PM

I have a suggestion. Roman is clearly annoyed with that first grade to be sending money to some winner on top, and he's already proven his generosity, so I suggest that the person who's the farther apart from the realized grades, will be the one who will pay the winner. For instance, in the first coin, shroom is a candidate to pay, with his MS63 prediction.

TwoKopeiki · August 27, 2011 10:40AM

<< <i>I have a suggestion. Roman is clearly annoyed with that first grade to be sending money to some winner on top, and he's already proven his generosity, so I suggest that the person who's the farther apart from the realized grades, will be the one who will pay the winner. For instance, in the first coin, shroom is a candidate to pay, with his MS63 prediction.

>>

Haha, Dimitri. I love the idea! However I gave my word to deliver the reward to the winner, so Shroom is off the hook

After a rough night of participating in a taste test of my brother's new home-made vodka I feel much better about the coin (and worse about my brother's idea of making home-made vodka). It's not like my opinion of it changed.

TwoKopeiki · September 9, 2011 1:31AM

Both coins are now listed as being in Quality Control. Hopefully the Zacatecas grade will be available shortly.

I appreciate your patience

TwoKopeiki · September 9, 2011 8:16AM

Pleasant surprise for the weekend - Zacatecas finally graded!

So, the final verdict is ...

1810 - AU58
1821 - AU55 - Properly attributed as 's' superscript after '8'

Congrats to OldEastside who nailed both grades!!!!

Please PM me your PayPal address and I'll have your prize out to you shortly.

Everyone else - until next time!

OldEastside · September 9, 2011 10:56AM

Thank you, thank you, thank you Roman, you are too genorous,
but I must admit, I would have said AU58 on both just like the Lord
said, but he said them first, so I backed off the second one with the
AU55, really cool stuff by the way. Anyhow thanks for the oppourtunity.

Thanks again

Steve

lordmarcovan · September 9, 2011 9:27PM

Wow, that's kind of you, Steve, but if you won, you won. Maybe you were gonna say the same thing as me and then changed your mind when you saw my post, but I reckon that still counts? Regardless of what y'all decide, thanks. It's a generous giveaway, and a little cash incentive certainly makes a GTG thread all the more fun!

Guess the grades, win some cash. ---- Grades IN! Winner in the last post! ----

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