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1838-D $5 uniface copper replica thing

jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
OK, so this clearly isn't a mint product, and it isn't particularly deceptive either. Now that we agree what it isn't... what IS it?

It is a copper planchet, struck on one side with an image of a 1838-D half eagle obverse, the other side struck with a blank token die having nothing but denticals. The obverse design is cartoonish, but far from amateur. Outer diameter is 26.9 mm, putting the diameter of the inner $5 image at about 22.6 mm, which is just about right for a real 1838-D half eagle.

The toning is mellow, and there is some corrosion around 8:00, suggesting that whatever this was produced for, it wasn't produced recently.

The blank reverse has JA or possibly JP scratched into it.

Have you ever seen something like this before?

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  • TomBTomB Posts: 22,933 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I've never seen anything like it and would expect that perhaps it was a salesman's sample or something similar for use in the procurement of orders for merchant or gaming tokens.
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  • Saw a few several years ago and I too believe they were part of a set that salesmen had to make storecards, specialty engraving events, etc. From the 1880-1920 period if I remember correctly, very neat. I saw a set with Classic head, early head, CB, Matron Head Etc.
  • MikeInFLMikeInFL Posts: 10,192 ✭✭✭✭
    That's neat! I've never seen one of those before. Thanks for sharing.
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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 33,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Never seen it before.
    What are the initials scratched in the reverse?
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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>What are the initials scratched in the reverse? >>

    Either JA or JP. They're more or less upside down, the way the picture is oriented. That's my read, anyway.
  • llafoellafoe Posts: 7,220 ✭✭
    The initials are "JA"... it predates the bean! image
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,728 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think that this is modern die trial for a coin dealer's metallic business card. Some company has been making this sort of thing for quite a while, and their die work is excellent.

    I've got a number of these store cards around the house, and they are well executed.

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  • Aegis3Aegis3 Posts: 2,934 ✭✭✭
    Just ttt'ing this thread in the light of this other thread.
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nice resurrection, Aegis.

    Interesting- it certainly looks like his piece might be a die trial for the token I have.

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  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Just ttt'ing this thread in the light of this other thread. >>

    Hah! Neat! Thanks!

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